Helm’s Deep 3 : the Explosive Crews
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December 6, 2013 at 7:07 pm #29335
I think it better to have ‘some’ than ‘none’, and I have no idea how a boycott would end – not to our advantage I would wager
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I would be happy to lose the Mithril name as long as the sculptor remained
– I buy for the figures, not the brand, and I would be more than happy to buy figures already sculpted for MM under the Phaeton brand albeit they were titled different, i.e. Hobgoblin explosive crew rather than Uruk explosive crew etc. etc. I know what they remind me of
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Light horsemen from the East would also be a welcome release from Phaeton
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December 6, 2013 at 10:03 pm #29338Arthadan there are some points you are wrong with…
Prince August owns a licence bought to Tolkien Enterprises (not Estate.. that’s your main mistake) about producing content derived from the licences Tolkien Enterprises (Saul Zentz, now Middle Earth Entreprise) holds…Mithril is using the SAME licence provider as Peter Jackson or Game Workshop do… the only difference is the “domain of activity” they have their licence for and this is for “collection figurines” and “RPG figurines”… NOT for wargaming which is exclusive to Game Workshop.
the fact Chris decided to sculpt characters based upon the book is their own idea but has nothing to do with their licence, they are not forced to do so… and in the end, Chris is free to sculpt the way he wants (and I remind you that sometimes many collectors or purists are not happy with it….Hobbits… plate armor… Radagast without beard…. the examples are many…)
Lars loves mithril and holds it dearly, the same way I hold my collection dearly but have no time nor more money than I’d want… to put in them. It’s a matter of priorities. and the priority at the moment is to make it so it is just enough profitable Not to “close” Mithril… not invest in them as it would dirrectly be a failur with all the other competitors around…
Now I admit things could be better if Chris was still in Ireland and not in London, to coach up and motivate Lars a little more, but considering that lately, EVEN Chris has gone silent and quite “slow” at producing his own series of figurines, I assume there is something else we don’t know…. I just hope Chris is fine…
December 7, 2013 at 11:20 am #29342Gildor Inglorion wrote:Arthadan there are some points you are wrong with…
Prince August owns a licence bought to Tolkien Enterprises (not Estate.. that’s your main mistake) about producing content derived from the licences Tolkien Enterprises (Saul Zentz, now Middle Earth Entreprise) holds….Master Elf, I didn’t say which copyright holders Mithril got the license from…
Quote:Mithril is using the SAME licence provider as Peter Jackson or Game Workshop do… the only difference is the “domain of activity” they have their licence for and this is for “collection figurines” and “RPG figurines”… NOT for wargaming which is exclusive to Game Workshop.Then I got that right. I wonder why Mithril is not producing miniatures for the new LotR RPG which has beatiful and acurated character designs (better to stick to the old flawed MERP full-armours, I guess…).
And now we have a new player, Knight Models, I’m curious to know how they fit in this mess. They seem to be aimed at collectors too.Quote:the fact Chris decided to sculpt characters based upon the book is their own idea but has nothing to do with their licence, they are not forced to do so… and in the end, Chris is free to sculpt the way he wants (and I remind you that sometimes many collectors or purists are not happy with it….Hobbits… plate armor… Radagast without beard…. the examples are many…)No need to remind me, Master Elf. I’m well aware of the “creative freedom” of some miniatures and that’s why I will never buy them.
Quote:Lars loves mithril and holds it dearly, the same way I hold my collection dearly but have no time nor more money than I’d want… to put in them. It’s a matter of priorities. and the priority at the moment is to make it so it is just enough profitable Not to “close” Mithril… not invest in them as it would dirrectly be a failur with all the other competitors around…Which is exactly my point. If Mithril weren’t profitable enough, it would close. Then, somebody else with the resources and will to pay full attention to this line could get the copyright.
Quote:Now I admit things could be better if Chris was still in Ireland and not in London, to coach up and motivate Lars a little more, but considering that lately, EVEN Chris has gone silent and quite “slow” at producing his own series of figurines, I assume there is something else we don’t know…. I just hope Chris is fine…I hope the Man is doing well, but this situation has been going on for years and even with the movie boost it’s not going to change.
As I see things, Mithril goes on only thanks to you, The Gold Fellowship. But at the same time I often read complaints about how Mithril handles things, specially new releases. With the Man owning his own miniatures company I don’t understand your support.
I can’t agree more with Master Artisan, I’d be happy to lose the brand and see all those already sculpted miniatures under the Phaeton name.
December 7, 2013 at 11:32 am #29344ddaines wrote:. . . Light horsemen from the East would also be a welcome release from Phaeton.
A B S O L U T E L Y ! and a diorama is already been finished for them since a long time . . . just to put them inside . . . painted of course.
Well, I exactly know what Master Arthadan is talking about. And I feel a bit angry meanwhiling about mithril´s policy.
A boycott- I remember similar things had been discussed here somewhere in 2009 or so- I don´t know if there could be a real boycott.
There are simply too less figures to boycott on. As far as I am concerned I bought this year two figures. On 50% discount.Concerning the phaeton brand. There is also happening pretty less. It starts very promising indeed, but then it ends up boozing somewhere . . .
December 7, 2013 at 11:56 am #29345(about the mistake, it seems I got my reading wrong, it was not Arthadan but Mornedhel who mentionned Tolkien Estate… so mea culpa)
the fact that mithril ceases to exist does not mean ANYbody else could get a licence to produce tolkien related stuff
there are some STRONG requirements to apply as a licencee of the Tolkien licence, one of which is being into business for the “type ot things” you want to use the licence upon for quite some years. “newcomers” with a “project” and a lot of money CAN’T get a licence… like that… besides, the licence is an annual fee if I remember well, and does cost several thousands of euros to hold it + royalties for each figurine that you sell bearing a licenced name or symbol.
From what I heard, it’s the income of some of the other enterprises owned by Lars that make it possible to keep the licence paid? Else Mithril all by itself could not afford it. there is also the question of not releasing too much figurines (either in quantities of a single one or in number of releases per year) in order to reduce their costs for the royalties they owe to MEE for each sale
December 7, 2013 at 2:47 pm #29347I support Mithril and would not support a boycott.
I do wish that Mithril would produce more miniatures. I think that they could use a Kickstarter campaign to make money and sell more miniatures. Reaper has recently had 2 multi-million dollar Kickstarters.Regarding the license and the associated fees; Miniatures like the Old Chicken Woman and Swans do not require permission from a license or fees. They could just be produced and sold by prince August or Phaeton. Mithril should only be producing miniatures that require the license, otherwise they are just wasting the fee money.
December 7, 2013 at 4:59 pm #29351EXACTLY !!!!!!!!!!!
And therfore people should overthink what they suggest on GF forum AND
what they are voting for VERY CAREFULLY !!!!!!!!!!!December 7, 2013 at 5:06 pm #29352shadyt wrote:I support Mithril and would not support a boycott.
I do wish that Mithril would produce more miniatures. I think that they could use a Kickstarter campaign to make money and sell more miniatures. Reaper has recently had 2 multi-million dollar Kickstarters.Regarding the license and the associated fees; Miniatures like the Old Chicken Woman and Swans do not require permission from a license or fees. They could just be produced and sold by prince August or Phaeton. Mithril should only be producing miniatures that require the license, otherwise they are just wasting the fee money.
Actually, that is a very good point, hadn’t thought of it that way before
December 7, 2013 at 6:45 pm #29353shadyt wrote:I support Mithril and would not support a boycott.
Regarding the license and the associated fees; Miniatures like the Old Chicken Woman and Swans do not require permission from a license or fees. They could just be produced and sold by prince August or Phaeton. Mithril should only be producing miniatures that require the license, otherwise they are just wasting the fee money.Sure, that’s a good point. But then again, the miniatures must then reflect what is described and suggested in the books even if it means discontinuing age-old Mithril habits. Otherwise the plate-armoured Elves or Númenóreans (to name just the most notorious example) don’t deserve the “Middle-earth” label more than the swans or the old chicken woman.
If it is done with your thought in mind (which I support), then it must be done right. Anything else is a waste of time.
My 2c
TolwenDecember 7, 2013 at 8:03 pm #29355ddaines wrote:shadyt wrote:I support Mithril and would not support a boycott.
I do wish that Mithril would produce more miniatures. I think that they could use a Kickstarter campaign to make money and sell more miniatures. Reaper has recently had 2 multi-million dollar Kickstarters.Regarding the license and the associated fees; Miniatures like the Old Chicken Woman and Swans do not require permission from a license or fees. They could just be produced and sold by prince August or Phaeton. Mithril should only be producing miniatures that require the license, otherwise they are just wasting the fee money.
Actually, that is a very good point, hadn’t thought of it that way before
100% true master Troy…. indeed… this is the point of all things here… no boycott it all.. no chance… but I should say again… conversation about profitability of mithril project is completely futile… this is hobby for collectors not for mass production… for people who love CT work and for people who will buy his figures as long as he could work on them…. I will say nothing more about this theme except that I wish to Chris… luck, health, and many peaceful days ahead…
I going now in the Prancing Pony to order roast chicken with lots of fries and garnished steak of swan meat.. and few mugs of beer… !
December 7, 2013 at 8:21 pm #29357… thank you, Thingol, those could have been my words …
December 7, 2013 at 8:55 pm #29359I too agree with Master Dave and Master Shadyt. For the record, I don’t imagine a boycott would achieve anything – unless the couple of dozen of us are the only people who actually buy Mithrils (or maybe we are!). Also, if someone else ended up with the licence they’d fairly certainly have their own favourite designer(s) already, and the likely outcome is that we simply wouldn’t see any more LOTR/JRRT figures from The Man – unless deviously camouflaged under the PM brand name.
December 7, 2013 at 9:49 pm #29362I used to be for a boycott but am not anymore… too many things to take into consideration.
as for figurines without the need of a licence… if a shield or a tabard uses a symbol from Tolkien universe it falls under the licence but even if it does not…… simply because of the blister card…. which depicts part of the map of Endor and thus the product is under licence, by the simple fact it has this blister card…
November 16, 2014 at 5:18 pm #31513If it were up to me, PA would have a range called something like “folk of the Northlands” selling CT sculpted “generic” fantasy miniatures for use with all RPGs and battle games. Just they’d be in 32mm scale and compatible with Mithril. This range would also included Orc, Elf and “Easterling” warriors. The Mithril brand would, as if by magic and through mysterious coincidence, sell a bunch of Middle-earth shields for Orcs, Elves and Easterling warriors.
I’d also fish out anything in production with plate armour or anything D+D-ish like that and replace them with something in mail. Flog the plate clad figures as Fantasy Armies. I am very fond of the distinctive Mithril look. I am fond of the romanticism, the flowing robes, the slender figures, the “dark ages” sensibility. They aren’t all perfect, but I have a deep and abiding love for many of them.
I’d like to see more, and I’d like to see some crucial “holes” filled in the range, such as Ranger of the North, Easterlings and Southron forces.
November 16, 2014 at 5:54 pm #31515Agreed, on every count.
November 16, 2014 at 6:21 pm #31516Sounds great to me too! But don’t forget the “Southlands” dessert warriors.
November 16, 2014 at 6:30 pm #31517Agreed, on every count.
November 16, 2014 at 7:02 pm #31518Filling holes always sounds great to hobbits !
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