Phaeton Miniatures

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July 7, 2014 at 6:41 pm #30826
Gildor
MMP Elder
I doubt , though, that Chris will ever work with 3D… he is old fashioned and hand sculpts everything. Computer and technology do not seem to be his hobbies…

In the end, I prefer craftmanship, even if it means a bit more expensive…3D is for mass , industrial production… not for small casual batches…
July 7, 2014 at 10:24 pm #30829
Turambar
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………………………… endless tale……………..
July 8, 2014 at 5:17 am #30830
Mornedhel
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Gildor Inglorion wrote:

3D is for mass , industrial production… not for small casual batches…

I don’t share this point, the goal of 3D is very small batch with very limited cost. If a company moves to industrial scale, the usual method is casting with moulds.
July 8, 2014 at 4:40 pm #30832
Gildor
MMP Elder
Well I visited a stand today about 3D printing, we are “light years” away from the detail and sturdiness of physical crafting… surely it can achieve a lot of detail, but it is “hollow” , fragile, and definitly veerrrryyy slow…

I saw a figurine , 54mm, printed in 3D…. took more than 48hours to “cast, it is hollow and would break by the pressure (no more than 1mm thick below the surface…

I can’t begin imagining making masters with such printers….

Indeed I am talking about 2000€ 3D printers…. those who cost 100 000€ would certainly be fine… but not worth the expense for companies such as mithril
July 8, 2014 at 4:50 pm #30834
ddaines
Participant
3D sculpting is making a headway in the larger scale ‘Garage’ type kits where typically a figure of a man is 12″ (1/6th scale) or thereabouts. A lot of the artists are using various packages to produce a ‘master’ copy then tidying up the printed version before moulding and casting in more traditional methods.

From reading posts on the subject it appears that it depends on how much you want to pay as to what quality the ‘print’ is; some appear to be useable direct from the print process, others need cleaning up.

I would imagine at MM scale it would be difficult to print a detailed figure, but I may be wrong in that assumption.
July 8, 2014 at 4:58 pm #30835
Barliman
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Overall, it sounds like it will continue to make more sense to produce masters in traditional materials and by skilled artisans’ for a looooong time yet. I guess it’s possible that the speed of the technology’s progress may surprise us all (most modern technology seems to move at light speed these days), but we shall see.
July 8, 2014 at 7:23 pm #30836
Arthadan
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I beg to differ…

This is a 29mm Dwarf cast in resin and designed by computer by an upcoming company, Fire and Ice Miniatures. I would get it in a heartbeat.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/ksr/assets/002/110/730/96dec069abac0773f06ed65d9988a5db_large.jpg?1402069622

Check out their (finished) Kickstarter.

I think same as traditional modelling, the “soul” of the miniature is in the skill of the modeller.
July 8, 2014 at 7:31 pm #30837
ddaines
Participant
Arthadan wrote:

I beg to differ…

This is a 29mm Dwarf cast in resin and designed by computer by an upcoming company, Fire and Ice Miniatures. I would get it in a heartbeat.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/ksr/assets/002/110/730/96dec069abac0773f06ed65d9988a5db_large.jpg?1402069622

Check out their (finished) Kickstarter.

I think same as traditional modelling, the “soul” of the miniature is in the skill of the modeller.

I’m impressed by the quality , so no scale is too small by the looks of it :rolleyes:
July 8, 2014 at 8:31 pm #30838
Barliman
Participant
Yes, looks pretty good – though personally I hate resin.
July 8, 2014 at 9:05 pm #30839
Gildor
MMP Elder
i’m fine with the quality, but I’d have to ask the price of the 3D printer required to build such a product…

I did not say it wasn’t possible, just that it was dramatically expensive, and according to what I saw this afternoon, an extrapolation of the time required to sculpt a 32mm figurine as shown in this kickstarter project would require at least half a day, per figurine.
I just hope that once the master is created, they use more traditionnal casting methods to create final castings…. printing all the figures is really not an alternative in terms of time…

I also saw this one :
http://ttfix.blogspot.fr/2014/01/hero-forge-customizable-3d-printed.html

the knight warriors casts are great, but the other ones below, are too raw and not detailed enough for my taste, and… this is the level of detail one can expect from a “common” 3D printer.

Mithril could switch to this technique but :
1) it would not be mithril anymore but yet another Tolkien figurine maker…
2) Chris is a hand sculptor, he would never create models in 3D, that’s not his job nor his interest/art
3) Mithril would have to find a 3D conceptor to replace Chris to make figurines, and in order to keep the interest of collectors, have the 3D modeller use “Chris touch”, in 3D…

It would be interesting to have the feedback of Chris on the matter of 3D conception and printing… that could prove very interesting… but considering the delays between each of his mail answers it may take a while…
July 9, 2014 at 8:08 am #30846
Thingol
Participant
If Mithril decide to buy 3D printer to produce figures…. It will be for my opinon a big mistake. Mithril must retain collector’s spirit but certainly in an economic manner they must maintain cost. Mithril must be regarded as a brand. Not as common producer of figures for roll playing games. This way of looking for Mithril…. belongs to history… but to become recognizable brand…this is very hard to achieve…
July 9, 2014 at 11:46 am #30852
Arthadan
Participant
The point is you can outsorce the printing of your master, then get it moulded and produce it. Check out 3D printing Solutions in Prodos Games page and these miniatures they produce for their Warzone game.
July 9, 2014 at 12:32 pm #30853
Mornedhel
Participant
Agree Arthadan. The outsourcing is cheap. Here in Luxembourg I can outsource a professional printer for 16 Euro/hour.
3D scanning with 0.05 mm precision is more expensive 60 Euro/hour with a 10 mithril/hour scanning rate.
January 17, 2015 at 11:34 am #32047
Turambar
Participant
So- it is 2015 at present. The question is: are there any news about “Necromancer´s Tower” so far . . . ?
I can remember that there were 100% of voters ( that means: EVERYBODY) who like to have more preview!
January 17, 2015 at 2:01 pm #32048
Theobald
Participant
Well, Turambar, what sense does it make to have any more previews when Phaeton-Design is not thought of to be continued for quite some time. – – – And besides what effect might 100% of 18 or 19 possible customers have?
January 17, 2015 at 4:07 pm #32049
Gildor
MMP Elder
All I can say is that the poll was transmitted and Chris aknowledged its reception…
January 17, 2015 at 5:41 pm #32050
Theobald
Participant
And that’s all there is at the moment. – – – – – Further thoughts about this matter are just in one hand and won’t be influenced by us. That’s a fact, isn’t it. – So let’s just stick to a slight hope that maybe, one day, in future ……………..
January 17, 2015 at 9:09 pm #32051
Thingol
Participant
I hope… I just hope that we will soon can see news from the PD work bench…
January 18, 2015 at 12:04 am #32053
Turambar
Participant
The other possibility is: throwing everything away . . .
January 18, 2015 at 12:20 am #32054
Thingol
Participant
…. endless Hope is better than hopelessness….. But “something” tells me that nothing will be from that project…..
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