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June 11, 2011 at 7:20 pm #17901
Gildor
MMP Elder
ah this I was not aware…. the release of 5 figurines but in boxed sets… strange… but well that’s only a logistic aspects I suppose though it means buying all the five of them or none… I had not understood it this way… nor was it mentionned it would be a MB.. but Chris may not have told me all of it…

well all the ideas you give here I submitted them for years too and in the essence, I received almost exactly the same answer as you from Chris.
June 11, 2011 at 8:43 pm #17905
Thingol
Participant
I just hope that all these ideas at last be finally accepted …. And not any more just parts of individual efforts and writing in our forum…. any new marketing activity is acceptable… for me…
June 11, 2011 at 10:30 pm #17908
twrich
Participant
Well, the five figures together was a suggestion to help assure Lars of sales, but we never know for sure what the end result will be. Lars may decide on another approach . . . but as long as we have some form of M series to choose from it will be better than none

But Christophe, the chief effort is yours, and all that you do for our group, thank you.
June 11, 2011 at 11:07 pm #17909
Theobald
Participant
It’s always good to know that there is a man in the dark …rhuooommmm ….puffing his pipe …
June 12, 2011 at 5:33 am #17910
twrich
Participant
Thank you Master Ent, may your bowl never be empty!
June 13, 2011 at 8:10 pm #17943
Gildor
MMP Elder
some answers :

helm’s deep 2 3 and easterlings ranges will be put on hold until Mithril “health” is better so no they won’t be released right now … but the news project will generate brand new range sets until better days
the pricing of those M sets… those will be suggested and voted by GF members but regular released available for anybody to preorder… still it will be low releases… and thus… the price for them will be higher than regular ranger but I suppose lower than MS… with a possibility of discount if you preorder full sets…

I’ll give more news when I get some…
June 14, 2011 at 2:48 pm #17960
Turambar
Participant
So, this is really a pity. I will put my Helm´s Deep project into the very back of the corner.
A pity too concerning the Easterlings. This is a very bitter pill, though I am really looking forward to those Easterlings, as everybody already knows here . . .

Let´s wait and see what will be released and how it will be released. At the moment we all are getting older and we can be glad about the fact,
that there IS something to be released in general.

Thank you for keeping us informed, Gildor.
June 14, 2011 at 3:43 pm #17962
Gildor
MMP Elder
I assure you that the most frustrated person is Chris, who has sculpted them years ago and is forced to see them taking dust…. hard work for naught for the time being…
June 14, 2011 at 7:01 pm #17966
Thingol
Participant
… pity ! That is all I can say…. after all… Now at least I know that this year I’ll save some money… ( Unfortunately for purchase Mithril figures )
June 14, 2011 at 8:13 pm #17970
Turambar
Participant
. . . are you sure that really The Man is the most frustrated man concerning these matters . . . ?
June 14, 2011 at 10:17 pm #17971
Gildor
MMP Elder
considering his love for his work, and also the fact no more pictures can be given and that he won’t be paid (commission) for this work until they are released… I assure you he may be yes…

but the more this system we are trying to create will work, the sooner these will be released
(as for easterlings they were a project AFAIK, they are not sculpted yet I think)
June 15, 2011 at 12:54 pm #17998
Wendy
Participant
He hasn’t been paid?!? That is just not right. The company should pay him – then decide whether to sit on them and not release them. 😡 Honestly, masters in that scale aren’t that expensive.
June 15, 2011 at 3:28 pm #18001
Gildor
MMP Elder
I suppose he got partly paid, but such artistic work has copyright on it and it’s a bit like music artists, if they don’t sell their work (cd or numeric format) well they do not get commission/royalties on their production… which represents most of the artist income in the end…
June 16, 2011 at 7:22 am #18022
Gildor
MMP Elder
I think it is better to put the words directly than synthetize myself so here are Chris words

Chris Tubb wrote:

I agree that pricing and discount are crucial issues. It is, of course , inevitable that the price will be higher than the regular M series – if the M series is currently not viable because of economic reasons then it would hardly be credible to put out this series at M prices. On the positive side though, we do have the fact that members can put the range together themselves to some extent and that they should get some discount if they buy more.[…]
I would like you to stress that this is an effort to do what the members have been asking for on Lars’ part and the only commercially viable way to get them an M release and not just an attempt to extort as much money as possible from them.
I was also thinking about a scale of prices. What I mean is that if we can achieve x amount of pre-orders the figures would cost a certain amount of money, whereas if we achieved 2x pre-orders then the price per figure would be , say only 2/3 of this amount. We , maybe should announce all these prices before starting.

Chris would like to hear feedback as he wants this project submitted, approved and put into motion by the end of NEXT week (I have never received so many “detailed” mails from Chris in such a short time, so I really think things are moving at great pace here)

Please post your comments as fast as possible here, and I will relay them to Chris altogether by Sunday
June 16, 2011 at 7:32 am #18023
Gildor
MMP Elder
my first own feedback would be :
– price being higher than M release is logical, but can we have a guarantee that it will ALSO be somewhat LOWER than MS price too?
– if the above statement can be guaranteed and a price matrix is set, why couldn’t Mithril release Helm’s Deep 2 and 3 on this pricing format (allowing pre-order for it and adapt price according to the pre-order numbers)

I really think this way of promotion and flexible prices are the solution but that should not block the release of the helm’s deep ranges if collectors/customers agree to apply those new rules to this set…
I think Lars and Chris altogether fear that THIS new project could not be accepted concerning already existing (but unreleased) ranges because collectors had no word (ie. suggestion+vote) in their making and thus these should be be priced the same way

I don’t know for all of you but it is up to us all to – maybe – show Lars Edman that this new “regular release politics” could apply retroactively to the Helm’s Deep

I know it means increasing budget for Mithril for customers at the moment, but remember this is flexible and only depends on how many preorders are made… THIS can increase with time and promotion 1) by us directly 2) with the new website currently in production 3) discounts / vouchers promotion

To conclude, I’d like to point out that Chris personnaly asked Lars that I personnaly take care of these votes officially on the mithril boards (and not Michael…) . I don’t know if Lars will accept but Chris would prefer me instead of Michael for such “activities”…

(for history, Chris was mad when I related him the “bad words” Michael prononced on the forum saying that “releasing regulars at the moment would not be good so we won’t do it”…. that really angered him…)
June 16, 2011 at 8:19 am #18024
Turambar
Participant
OK then, so, for me it is a bit the way: “no other chance.”
Want to say: I remember the discussions about the (let´s be honest: little) price increase concerning HD 1. So, if mithril´s politic is to stop the production after that at all,
I would say, let´s pay a higher price instead of having NO miniature. This is the most frustrating thing.
No one could be able to explain to me why they don´t release finished ranges. For me there is a huge depht between what the company say and what they actually do.
The former reason of releasing different HD-ranges (having an alternative WARBAND) is been vaporised.

I am sceptical, but I give you a positive feedback because optimism is always the right way.
June 16, 2011 at 9:52 am #18025
Gildor
MMP Elder
I think there is a lot of “fear” and paranoia about unsales of a regular release at this time… the problem is the number of castings… and the preorder method is the only way to solve this…

Besides, mass casting costs less to produce BUT if in the end the result is unsales… it costs more…. so it has to get an equilibrium…

I am trying to be diplomatic, but let’s be honest, things won’t change anytime soon if regular releases by sets/ranges are not put into motion again…. it is impossible to advertise for something limited to a fellowship

Mithril has to grow back from scratch in terms of notoriety and sales…. I am confident that if all goes well, we’ll see regular hitting the prices they used to have…

(this is hard to accept when you see big 54mm from Andrea on thrones for 28€ (+15€ shipping cost,a bit expensive from Spain to France)… but Andrea is using white metal of different quality than mithril AND does not have to pay a tolkien licence…

after two years without any ranges being released, anything hinting at a forthcoming range to be released in any way should be an optimistic thing

besides, lets wait for the price matrix before extrapolating I think
June 16, 2011 at 9:58 am #18026
Gildor
MMP Elder
besides, I just received another mail from Chris (three in less than 24 hours! wow! )

Chris Tubb wrote:

If the majority of the Fellowship want the Helm’s deep stuff to be released first, I think we should acceed to their wishes. Tell the members that if the majority want Helm’s deep then that’s what we will release

(I must add : within the new preo-order flexible price system)
June 16, 2011 at 11:52 am #18028
Theobald
Participant
Another very positive feedback from me, too.

I would be glad to see the M-release production being started again. As for prices I think everybody has to admit that prices for any kind of goods have been rising within the past years.

A thing that should also be considered is the “autoshipment” I once introduced. I don’t know, of course, how many people join this. From my point of view being in that “autoshipment” should be regarded as pre-orders. – I remember some discussion if the MX-releases are included in that or not (because of the higher prices). So far I did not come across any troubles with the “autoshipment”. As the suggestions about new prices for a new M-release don’t seem to extend those of the MS-releases I think there cannot be a problem.

I just hope this new start will work … and I don’t mind the conditions very much.
June 16, 2011 at 12:08 pm #18030
Milo
Participant
I plan to have autoshipment also once I have found every OOP and can freeze a mithril budget. So I would for sure pre-order any M release, but not yet…

Anyway, at least, some moves are witnessed, which is always better than nothing.
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