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August 16, 2011 at 4:24 pm #19523
hsf62
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How many millions of collectors on this earth and how many collecting Mithril? Haha what a bad joke….
August 16, 2011 at 4:36 pm #19525
Gildor
MMP Elder
please please… I perfectly know what you wrote to me, and I am perfectly disapointed by Lars more than you think… for me it is as if he was destroying my personal efforts, and denies them at the same time… All of this affects me personnaly… it is months of negociations, mails, hard work in trying to get mithril’s ear all wiped out…

what could I do? … it’s not the high price that revolts me … it’s the long range effect… I see it from there : Lars announcing, “the new M project has been a failure, customers don’t want it, so that means they don’t have interest in M ranger so this is it no more M range, we carry on on the GF range only… oh and by the way… prices increase by 3€ on the GF to cover the new increase in metal you know and also the shipping taxes… these are hard times for all manufacturers in this domain of activity, you have to understand… blah blah blah…

damnit will somebody go to Macroom and strike a Hammerhead on Lars head to make him understand once and for all?

even Chris can’t reason him…
August 16, 2011 at 5:21 pm #19527
Gavin
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Oh hell.

All good things come to an end, then?

I really wish we had gotten to see those Easterlings, the Wilderland series, the rest of the Helm’s Deep series and that Rhudaur series that was mentioned way back. I always wanted to see Mithril Rangers of the North. I guess we shall not see such a thing.
August 16, 2011 at 5:54 pm #19528
Gildor
MMP Elder
wilderlands series as is, won’t see the days as Mithril… they will but not as mithril…

as for the others… well, maybe one day… failure after failure I think Mithril will someday wake up… it will hurt a lot for them… but don’t forget one thing…

Chris, the sculptor and father of the M range shares our concerns and is on OUR side… ont on Lars’ one… that weighs in the balance… HE too wants those sets released one day…
August 16, 2011 at 7:03 pm #19529
Arthadan
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Maybe the collapsing of Mithril can be for the best. I guess Chris could sell his sculpts to another brand (or work full time in his own brand Phaeton Designs) with blank shields and release then once Mithril is gone. Every end is a new begining.

I’ve got the impression we deal with a seller who is not interested in selling, only in making a lot of money with no respect for their customers. As much as I love Mithril, I won’t deal with such a guy on his terms.

What would happen if the M serie does not work and you stop supporting the 21 pounds miniature line? We all know the answer. So power is yours and not his. I’d rather see Mithril cold and dead than being played for a fool.

But that’s just my opinion.
August 16, 2011 at 7:10 pm #19530
Gildor
MMP Elder
well I do not share the same exactly Arthadan, as Mithril has history behind it and also a license and it’s a pity if we loose the ability to have “tolkien flagged” greatly sculpted figurine even if, in the soon future, we will see many Phaeton designs poping on the market but without any link to Tolkien… alas…

the problem at the moment, remains with the set commissioned by Mithril to Chris and which are still in the balance and could not be sold by Chris himself unless indeed mithril dies totally I suppose…

this concerns HD3, and Easterlings mainly and only… (and indeed the GF releases but these are not the real problem at the moment , are they…)

I began my fight, no matter if mithril dies or not… to see HD2 released and eventually later HD3 and Easterlings , so that holes in the referencing are filled, so that figurines I have had a picture of for 2 years are finally released… and then well, when this is released… hell with them, if need be…

NB : I am currently checking through all my blisters to see what mithril I will paint next, and I am nostalgic… seeing [mith]LT6[/mith] which I bought €9,20…. unprimed but still mithril, single piece, though mounted… but it was a nice one… for only €9,20 for a MOUNTED figurine… and… same price for Galadriel [mith]M400[/mith]
August 16, 2011 at 7:12 pm #19531
Gildor
MMP Elder
lol, I just saw on mithril website that LT6 is €8,95 without shipping…. damn but they are fools

they should equilibrate their old release still or sale, and advertise for those range at slightly increased price that would cover the price for the new ones … and have the new ones at reduced prices…
August 16, 2011 at 7:17 pm #19532
cameosis
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i have voiced pretty much the same opinion as arthadan on a few other boards and to some mmp members, too — there are close to 600 releases directly and officially licensed as tolkien related works.

unfortunately, there are also 20-30 “variants” of gandalf, the witch king et al, but the point is that all depends on how much you want to take it further and customize it, if need be. the glaring eye can be on a shield without necessarily being a licensed product. i like the figures, but i don’t have any use for a company that revels in antagonizing its customers with business antics — only games workshop can pull that off successfully — and they did build a customer base and invest loads in brainwashing / commercial propaganda, at least.

a nice side effect would be that mithril would put all the remaining minis on sale / discount before they close shop — as i don’t have the slightest doubt they would do it after they have completely milked the early subscribers.
August 16, 2011 at 8:15 pm #19537
Turambar
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Gildor Inglorion wrote:

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damnit will somebody go to Macroom and strike a Hammerhead on Lars head to make him understand once and for all?

even Chris can’t reason him…

So why not. Better saying. Time to conquer the ship.

We tear Chris on our side and with OUR potential we can do it better than the company.
August 16, 2011 at 8:17 pm #19538
Thingol
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I am after all, sad…. ! And this is enough !
August 16, 2011 at 8:59 pm #19543
Gildor
MMP Elder
not sure I understood this Thingol… creating another company would not be possible while mithril stands anyway… but maybe having a REAL life petition with a bunch of signatures… even more signatures than mithril has of customers could lead Lars to change his mind… imagine.. he only has 40 preorders….. but a petition of 200 people…. I imagine his face …
August 16, 2011 at 9:09 pm #19547
Arthadan
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Gildor Inglorion wrote:

not sure I understood this Thingol… creating another company would not be possible while mithril stands anyway

Yes, it could. New sculpts by Chris to be released in his own brand at a reasonable price. I wouldn’t care if he call them Rohirrim or Saxons, I’d by them all the same…
August 16, 2011 at 9:27 pm #19548
Barliman
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It wouldn’t worry me either, but I seem to remember that some folk here aren’t of the same opinion. To me the most important thing is that it will still be The Man’s work.
August 16, 2011 at 9:48 pm #19549
Gildor
MMP Elder
I am not interested in this Arthadan as this is already being built up and ranges will soon happen and I may even work with Chris on this… I even know some of the sets to be released… I am not afraid at all about seeing the Man’s work being released outside mithril because it will, this is a certainty… this is already scheduled…

but I am a Tolkien fan … and a collector quite fond of references etc… and having a tolkien name on a figurine is indeed important for me… because when I paint a figurine i paint it knowing it is a specific person (named or not, this is not the problem)… not an anonymous one… or I could not paint it.. I am not afraid about mithril ceasing its activity, I’m afraid of NOT seeing some already achieved work… released at all…

by contract, Chris cannot release HD2, HD3, or Easterlings, they are mithril property unless Mithril ceases its activity. That’s what I meant…
hris is no more mithril employee or owner or anything, he works on contracts with Prince August, some kind of freelance
August 16, 2011 at 11:05 pm #19552
Gavin
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I have, on my hard drive, various and multiple bones of an RPG setting specifically designed to use Mithril visualisations in the event of the loss of the Tolkien license. It’s based on something I approached Michael about a long time ago, but its gone through many revisions and changes and whatever as I cannibalised bits and bobs for various things.

It’s about the last defence of the remnant of a kingdom once ruled by High Men by Northman and Hillman war tribes. Each winter, the ice comes closer, and stays long and in the dark, trolls and orcs gather, raiding and killing under the cover of blizzards and winter storms. One by one the lords of the north are besieged and destroyed. The only hope lies in iron and courage, or in the songs of those who whisper of finding the last of the elven powers, a shadow of a legend of a dream in their deep wild woods under the northern lights.

Something like that anyway.
August 17, 2011 at 5:56 am #19554
ESTEL
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nice idea, gavin, like it.

@gildor: i understand you very well and it is the same for me: i am dedicated to middle-earth.
black tree design, formerly harlequin miniatures has solved the problem of not using the trademarked names of tolkiens work (after they lost the license) by changing the names slightly, so that you can easily identify, what thing is mentioned: e.g. men of the west/gondor; mean of the east plain/men of the westfold; wizards tower/isengard and so on. chris can do this easily and names like ‘northern rangers’ could not be trademarked . that would not solve our concern that a mini HAS to be named properly to attract us, but well, that’s one way……

all the best
estel
August 17, 2011 at 7:22 am #19558
Thingol
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Gildor Inglorion wrote:

I am not interested in this Arthadan as this is already being built up and ranges will soon happen and I may even work with Chris on this… I even know some of the sets to be released… I am not afraid at all about seeing the Man’s work being released outside mithril because it will, this is a certainty… this is already scheduled…

but I am a Tolkien fan … and a collector quite fond of references etc… and having a tolkien name on a figurine is indeed important for me… because when I paint a figurine i paint it knowing it is a specific person (named or not, this is not the problem)… not an anonymous one… or I could not paint it.. I am not afraid about mithril ceasing its activity, I’m afraid of NOT seeing some already achieved work… released at all…

by contract, Chris cannot release HD2, HD3, or Easterlings, they are mithril property unless Mithril ceases its activity. That’s what I meant…
hris is no more mithril employee or owner or anything, he works on contracts with Prince August, some kind of freelance

I do not know what you can’t understand, I just wrote that I’m sad because of all situation… and I’m also agree with you about visualisation of middle earth persons. This is point of my collecting mithril… and CT design… But I’m also agreed with Estele and with Gavin… with one of few diferent words in some general descriptions like Northman rangers, or Man from the east, etc… can’t stop Chris to give us more figures from LOTR under his brand…

and we always can keep GF figures as a ashes of Mithril glory…

Of course this is last “exit”, and about petition… if we see that it is good, we can try.
August 17, 2011 at 7:33 am #19559
Thingol
Participant
and one p.s. for Master Gildor…

I’m sent you five pictures few days ago for my part of the gallery so when you’ll find some time, please make one small upload

I also think that Gavin has a lot magnificent pictures and that he also must send them to you. You should open his gallery !
August 17, 2011 at 7:34 am #19560
Gildor
MMP Elder
well I understand more clearly now but indeed this is always a solution… but those unreleased already-produced works are still the problem, aren’t they?
August 17, 2011 at 7:41 am #19562
Milo
Participant
I think everyone shall stay still and wait until this new “process” for M range has come to an end…Then if things turn very bad, it will be time to think about petitions, LOTR renaming….
We all feel disapointed about the way things are handled, but, communication links are still alive, which is not so bad compared to many other business I wintnessed.
Don’t missunderstand me, I agree with almost everything I read, I just wanted to bring some positive thoughts in these dark posts.
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