The latest Fellowship debate(s)…..
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as administrator of this forum I’d really like to know what happened here?! master Holger can you explain in private please? (i was away doing some shopping and I definitly missed something)
now as it stands, master Gavin maths are good, but that does not solve the problem… and master Shadyt comment is fair but – no offense intended at all – I find it 200% subjective… actually maybe as subjective as my posts
and not objective when it comes to define what is GF… what is regular, what should be done…As someone said… MS was meant to offer people -through suggestions- the possibility to make something like a MX… something very special… “unique” in its own way… You may think a standard bearer is unique… this is your right indeed, but had you the money or if Mithril offered you a MX for free, would you submit a “standard bearer” or “wolfrider” or “trumpeter” or any kind of anonymous military “auxiliary” that has nothing unique?
well, please please I repeat myself I just want to make my point clear but don’t want to offense nor attack anybody but proposing any kind of “military functionnality” is for me strictly the same as suggesting , for exemple : “adventurer man looking to his left” … this is How I “feel” it. I don’t mean it IS it, it’s just how I feel it… worthless EXCEPT , in the end, for the superb crafting for its rendering which makes it worth at the time of its release, but not at the time of its voting or.. victory…
I hope you won’t take it to you shadyt, I just wanted to express what I feel… and I am not english-native speaker so I may have erred in some style…
Now that it seems the thematic idea is a bad one and freedom and democracy for all is the only solution, I will carry on NOT submitting (until vignette months are up) BUT voting for ideas I like…. this I do…
still the regular M releases problem is still up… but does not concern Fellowship directly I think…*buys Master Holger a drink*
To sort of respond to Master Gildor’s point about some of the suggestions.
Why do we have standard bearers and trumpeters?
– Because Mithril doesn’t always make them. The sort of Mithril-standard wargaming army has a captain, a musician and a standard bearer. QV, the Lossarnach, White City and Mordor “warbands” So the other armies should have such things too.
and, crucially
– The other guys make such things, but way too many of the examples suck. Ie, sculpted by he who Master Barliaman detests. I mean, which would you prefer? A Mirkwood elf hunter made by the man, with beautiful flowing clothes, naturalistic features and a sense of proportion, or the weird transvestite elf thing with the oversized horn released by the other guys?
Like it or not, many people buy Mithrils to supplement or even replace forces from the Other Guys. Combine that desire with Mithril’s odd release schedule and people will go for “cool” over “unique.” I’ve bought two of the wonderful Troll drummer, and next year I’ll buy the half-troll standard bearer and finish up my Angmar orc army. I’ve just plenty to be getting on with first
People are clearly voting on MS figures to fill the gaps in the range rather than aiming for something unique. The obvious solution would be to address the gaps in the range, rather than leave them for the fellowship voting. But I doubt that’s going to happen.And I still want my Elladan and Elrohir at the Black Gate, damnit
agreed master Gavin but you admit yourself that these “bearers” and trumpeters are part of a whole and though GF is meant to let people suggest / vote / win what they want/need to complete -in your example- an army… Now I stand sure that GF was not meant to “complete” RANGES …. indeed it can, since it is suggested and voted but we are slowly transforming GF into a “hole-filling” process for existing ranges…
that’s… weird, odd… and most of all …. dangerous
I may have said standard bearers feel “worthless” to me, as a MS… I don’t think bearers are useless in a given army… providing they are included in the range… or maybe converted? whatever.. those figurines, like wolfriders should be parts of “wholes”… not individuals…
see what I mean?
to Barliman : I tried myself at suggesting ideas lately… single …. usually it only gets my own vote in the first turn
or two or three not more even if I repeat my suggestions months after monhts…. that says it all… Actually I was also among the first ones to suggest Erestor but he has been suggested by someone else this month..I like this debate ! it is full of lots interesting informations… ideas and suggestions… for all kind of mithril collectors… for gamers, diorama builders and simply collectors ( like I’m ) … but I found here some bad news…
Master Holger my dear respected forever real creative friend….. ! It is logical to delete your conversion topic after all “something like problems” from last month and I totally support your decision, but it is a pity that you are deleted “Who is who topic”… I’ve accepted this topic like something close and familiar to all of us members of MMP…
Thingol wrote:… but it is a pity that you are deleted “Who is who topic”… I’ve accepted this topic like something close and familiar to all of us members of MMP…I completely agree — those deletions are leaving lot’s of ruins and emptiness here, a very rude reaction in my opinion …
mmhh maybe I should add a functionnality to forbid people to delete things or at least have a track somewhere in case they change their mind and want it back… alas I dont have that at the moment so … what is lost… is lost…
about winning competition barliman… well assuming I won very early in the process with my Sauron, Elendil&Gil-Galad vignette and with Cirdan, I have won two times already… nothing since but…it was back in a time when such suggestions were in the “mood” it is, no more
to Holger : do you really think you had the right to erase a full topic which was a “trombinoscope” of ALL people from this forum? erasing your posts is one thing, but a topic never belongs to anyone, it belongs to all who post in this thread…
Alas, I just spent two hours looking for any backup I may have of the MMP forum database which retrace the who’s who…
there is none… the last true backup I made was back in 2008 when the site migrated to faerylands.eu and the topic was not yet created…I now made a new backup just in case… but I am affirmative… every topics you had begun and have now deleted Holger, are deleted once and for all, and all the replies from all other members after your initial topic have been wiped out with it….
… a pity… reallyIt seems I will not make it with “Bilbo in mithril coat, with arkenstone” suggestion.
I thought it would find more supporters.
You could repeat suggestion in some other combinations. Maybe soon we would have possibility to suggest some scene ( through vignette option ) and there put Bilbo in mithril coat, with arkenstone……….. together with some furniture in his house, as he looked on his mithril coat just few moments before he decided to hide treasure… something like vignette MV362… but without Gandalf
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