THE TAPROOM 2

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  • #19347
    Gildor
    MMP Elder

      I see no improvment on the short term from Lars Edman post…. actually all the possibilites he suggests to OFFER the community are already present here…
      indeed having them on an official site may be better but that will not necessarily improve their online presence on the web…

      and the pricing has not changed…

      #19348
      Gavin
      Participant

        I am wondering if the solution might be keeping the same price for single figures (say a Fellowship 21 euro cost), but offering a deeper discount for multiples, followed by cheaper costs for “restocked” figures. The way they cover the cost for the 100 figure set, and pass on savings for those of us who need bunches of the things.

        Imagine, if you will, that they are convinced to make Helm’s Deep 2 – Death to the Strawheads. Assumably this is a set made up of Dunlending warriors. I’m also assuming that there will be some sort of captain or chieftain model, and four Dunlending warriors. So, that’s 100 euro right there for five figures. Steep, and you can’t buy a bunch of the warriors at that price to make that Helm’s Deep diorama you’ve been planning for years.

        So how about charging €20 for one figure, but €40 for four – Lars said himself that the costs in mini making is upfront. This way they could reach the break even point for the upfront costs much quicker.

        #19350
        Milo
        Participant

          Your idea sound good Gavin, but I only buy 1 mini at a time, as the range is big enough for me.

          Masters Barlima ? I have been to much talkative on GF forum today. Please bring me 4 pints of 4 different ales: A lager, a red, a bitter and a dark one !

          #19351
          ddaines
          Participant

            At GF prices I would simply not bother, like Milo I tend only to buy 1 of each figure, and to pay over 100 euros/£’s for 5 figures (assuming you mean a discount for buying several of the same figure) would not be worth it especially as I probably will never get around to painting them .

            I would hate to think that Mithril collectors would be categorised by other figure collectors as being a breed of ‘fruit-loops (crazies)’ because we pay over 20 euros for 32mm main-stream release metal figures :). Having seen the Andrea prices for 54mm, that would in my mind just be exploitation of dedicated collectors.

            I’ve not purchased a few of the GF releases now given the price and exchange rate, I want to, but other more important things are out there. Oh for the old days when a single Mithril foot figure cost £0.99 pence :D

            #19352
            Arthadan
            Participant

              I have not become part of the GF because the price it’s not reasonable for a 32 mm miniatures and I don’t care about how limited edition they may be.

              Anyway I do not believe they need to make 2100 pounds to make one single miniature profitable. They really should think about cutting production costs such the fancy package and the spray.

              In fact I’m going to ask in a forum with some miniatures designers who now run their own companys, such Ebob, Hasslefree, Red Box Games and some others and I will tell you. I really want to know the answer.

              UPDATED: Here you are thread with my question, so you can follow it yourselves. Of course, I won’t mention Mithril’s name since Lars post was in a private forum. I think answers will be enlighting.

              #19353
              cameosis
              Participant

                @ arthadan, frothers unite? many sculptors even offer custom designs for a fraction of the price that mithril demands. go figure (oh, pun alert!).

                #19354
                Arthadan
                Participant

                  Yes, but we’re speaking also about moulding and casting Master Cameosis. Let’s see what other people in the business say so we can know how accurate is Mr. Lars because this is the key argument to keep the price high.

                  Of course is perfectly right they price their products as they see fit, but I suspect they want to guarantee some margin of profits too, not only covering costs. If that the case (please note it’s an “If”), we should decide if we want to be charged for their unwillingness to take risks and promote their products.

                  #19355
                  Gildor
                  MMP Elder

                    well, there is a limit on how much they could/can lie to us, they may want to make some margin and profit but I doubt they intend to make THAT MUCH margin, I rather think they are using obsolete production methods and did not switch to more economic ones … which makes the production even more expensive than it was ten years ago…

                    I am not an expert about such things but other great brands of collection miniatures, historical or not are STILL in the business and their prices are reasonnable… and I doubt they sell thousands of references themselves…

                    I also think, when I read their email, that they have to cover their cost no matter if they SELL 5 or 50000 figurines….
                    they never said they had to cover their costs no matter if they PRODUCE 5 or 50000… I may be wrong but I think they are “fool” enough to produce 50 000 no matter if they will sell them or not…. in this case no mystery that the final prices are high if only 100 are sold but they produced 50 000

                    #19356
                    Arthadan
                    Participant

                      Well, I have a first answer:

                      Quote:
                      £400 – £500 I reckon.

                      Let’s say it’s 50% more expensive for Mithril because copyright (which an annual fee I think) and the fancy spray and huge package (bigger than GW’s!), then it would be £750. So, selling first 100 copies at £7.50 cost should be covered. There is a long way from £7.50 to £21, isn’t it?

                      Anyway, I’ll wait to have more answers before taking a decission.

                      #19357
                      ddaines
                      Participant

                        Interesting to see the first answer is £400 – £500 :)

                        #19358
                        Arthadan
                        Participant

                          Maybe obsolote production methods are the problem, Master Elf. But then they should clean and tidy their own house instead of asking the guest to do so, so to speak.

                          #19359
                          Gildor
                          MMP Elder

                            I’d appreciate some posts in this sense master Arthadan, in answer to the post I just made on the official board, that will bring “water to my mill” as we say ;) and I hope they’ll answer this point, as I think THIS is a critical point they mentionned themselves and should be addressed.

                            #19360
                            cameosis
                            Participant
                              Arthadan wrote:
                              Yes, but we’re speaking also about moulding and casting Master Cameosis.

                              yes, i meant totals — the first reply confirms what i had gathered previously on frothers, which is an excellent forum/portal.

                              #19361
                              Thingol
                              Participant

                                … all of those questions I’m already ask on my huge angry post on GF… after all I have many dilemmas about “break even points” calculated in mithril…. all those explanations are in some segments completely unexplained. I think this question about the cost of production of a one figure, set by Master Arthadan is fine question. After seeing more than one answer and compare the amounts of produced pieces, it will be easier to discern what is specifically true in the case of Mithirl… I’m sure that 2100 GB pounds or Euros, are not represent break even point. That means that they must earn 27300 Euros each year just to be in break even every financial year ( and this is only for mithril if they make 13 x 100 single MS figures… no doubles, no troll, ents, balrog, etc that cost a few euros more….) !?!?!?!??!? And what about all other figures and activities …. in their production…. how many employees they have…. how much money they pay to Chris for his work… how much money they must to pay to ME… for the license or franchise… etc…..

                                And…. anyway everything what I wrote on GF stays…

                                #19362
                                Thingol
                                Participant

                                  400 – 500 GBP is interesting answer… let’s see in next few days other costs…. if we get it…. !

                                  #19364
                                  Arthadan
                                  Participant

                                    Master Elf, as soon as I make up my mind about this I’ll charge into battle if is fair. But as Master Tree would say, it’s not good to be hasty.

                                    Master Thingol, I think in the end everything could be resumed as “they will sell as expensive as we are willing to pay”. It would be a pity to see Mithril losting the license, but if they can’t manage to make profit with all the movies boom then is that they’re doing something wrong. Charging high prices and asking us to do their marketing is something I simply won’t accept.

                                    #19365
                                    cameosis
                                    Participant
                                      Arthadan wrote:
                                      Charging high prices and asking us to do their marketing is something I simply won’t accept.

                                      there is nothing one could add to that.

                                      #19366
                                      Gildor
                                      MMP Elder

                                        saying all of this here… though… is pointless and won’t change a thing… on mithril side

                                        Lars and Michael think I am alone to be be upset now when I write to them… it would be good to have some VISIBLE support on Offocial communication places…

                                        the announcment made by Lars was to explain why the costs were high… and why they would NOT change them… to tell us “we are sorry but this is it, take it or leave it”… I personnaly would prefer to make them change their mind rather than make them understand the hard way, that we “leave it” and wont take it…

                                        #19367
                                        cameosis
                                        Participant
                                          Gildor Inglorion wrote:
                                          the announcment made by Lars was to explain why the costs were high… and why they would NOT change them… to tell us “we are sorry but this is it, take it or leave it”

                                          which begs the question how much sense it would make if people voiced their displeasure on the proboards site … maybe a “leave” option would make them open their eyes and reconsider.

                                          #19370
                                          Gildor
                                          MMP Elder

                                            well if Lars posted this, it’s mainly in answer to my quite disapointed emails to him…
                                            i suppose they tend to listen… now about taking actions…

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