THE TAPROOM 2

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June 30, 2013 at 11:01 am #28204
Turambar
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Well, to be honest, I can´t believe what I read.
It really seems that “the Irish” are goofing up the masterpiece. Therefor I am lucky NOT buying it yet.

Another point. Nobody ever realized that the figures from “Gamlings Ralley” are a bit too LARGE.
I stopped all my projects containing a mixture with those figures and “old mithril” figures.

Thank you for your meticolous analysis, Master Gildor.
I am waiting for an answer of the Master Caster!
June 30, 2013 at 11:28 am #28205
Barliman
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Gildor Inglorion wrote:

did they ever say their figurines were lead free?

No, but that’s not the point I was making. My point was that by using the 5 star metal they would then, at some point in the future, be able to market their newer figures as “lead-free” – which may eventually become (and in some places, such as California, has been for quite a while) important.

Gildor Inglorion wrote:

besides, smaller ogres and ents , in “size” does not seem to be a shrink matter…

Once again, that’s not the point I was making. Obviously, their smaller size results from the way they were designed, and has nothing to do with shrinkage. What I was suggesting was that by deliberately designing such larger figures to a smaller scale, less metal would be needed in casting them, and hence enough money might to be saved to cover the cost of using 5 star metal.

If they weren’t designed smaller in order to save metal, and therefore money, WHY were threy designed to a smaller scale in the first place? It’s not the subject we’re discussing, I realise, but it’s still a puzzle that warrants explanation.
June 30, 2013 at 11:43 am #28206
Gildor
MMP Elder
well ok i understand better but I think these are two different problems… as the ogres and ent size problem comes from planned conception, and thus on Chris side… (though he “may” have been asked to reduce them in size? who knows)
but the shrink problem… is from the factory point alone.

Please, for those who DO have the vignette, can you confirm that you all, too, feel there is a “shrink”, thickness difference and that it’s not me going crazy thinking it is “thinner” while it is not… I would not want to put Chris in anger (as he is growing to be so at the moment) against PA if it is only my hallucinations thinking it is thinner than usual?
June 30, 2013 at 11:48 am #28207
Barliman
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Can’t help you there – I haven’t bought mine yet.
June 30, 2013 at 12:33 pm #28208
Gildor
MMP Elder
well is there only Thingol and myself noticing that then? Milo maybe?
June 30, 2013 at 12:59 pm #28209
hsf62
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The metal used the speed from the spinncasting machine and the heat of the metal makes all the difference to the result of the cast. So yes, if they used the 5 star metal for whatever reason and left the heat of the melting pot aswell as the speed of the casting machine unchanged, then it wouldn’t surprise me at all, that the minis are a lot lighter and didn’t fill out the mould as good as the other metals would have done.
June 30, 2013 at 1:03 pm #28210
hsf62
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By the way Master Barliman I’m not banned from my local, I don’t have one. Even I don’t collect Mithril anymore, I still do enjoy the company of my friends here in the Pony! You included! 😆
June 30, 2013 at 1:29 pm #28211
Theobald
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huoommm … so cheers to you, Master Hsf62 … huom … it’s good to have two reliable experts of casting by spin-moulds around here … huuommmm … such as you and Master Xenophile definitely are … rhuoommm ….
… well, Master Gildor, I cannot judge upon this matter as I … huom … fortunately? … did not receive the vignette until today, though I ordered it at once when it was announced … rhuomm .. hom … anyway, all this leaves me a bit speechless ….. huom
June 30, 2013 at 2:24 pm #28212
ddaines
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[imgz url=http://mmp.faerylands.eu/uploads/11_arkenstone.jpg]http://mmp.faerylands.eu/uploads/thumbs/11_arkenstone.jpg[/imgz]

I have taken this picture to show some comparrisons (sorry, no time for any indepth comparrisons). I have tried to use a sample of an older figure without a base if possible, but the main figure that I note to me bigger is the old Aragorn figure. The others do not seem to be significantly different (I couldn’t get a straight on shot of the based Dunlending (?), but he does seem to be comparable to these new Arkenstone figures.

I must admit that if the matter hadn’t been brought up I probably wouldn’t have noticed this at all.

My own view is that I have always thought some figures (standard mortals) to be slightly different in size, not just these new ones. Yes, the trolls seem to have shrunk noticeably, but humans? Maybe just an inconsistency with CT’s sculpting.
June 30, 2013 at 3:29 pm #28213
Turambar
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Ah ha!
First thank you David for that convincing photo.
So what do I see? A perfect fitting “new” Thranduil sorounded by King Elessar. In this case I can not blame anything . . .
June 30, 2013 at 5:05 pm #28214
Gildor
MMP Elder
well maybe then it must be my own ideas and I may have talked about it with Chris though it was me in error… but I still cannot help feeling Thranduil and Bard “heads” do seem smaller…
June 30, 2013 at 8:41 pm #28215
Thingol
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Hi guys.. I think this discussion goes to far…. now we are discussing about metal for casting… so there are 2 facts… metal for casting is definitely lighter and softer and I do not know in which category goes this… but the fact is that many figures in last releases are made from this kind of metal…

And the second think…. Elven king and 2 elves are for sure a little bit smaller then the same figures of the same characters…. I compared other figures and all of them are in the same scale and can not notice a any ( especially not – big ) difference…. and I compared all 4 Bards… and yes all of them have different size of heads… and 4 Boromir’s are all different… and all Aragorn’s figures.. non of them are no 100% same size…

So my suggestion is…. please guys we should stop with this and we must enjoy in this new great vignette… have a good night to all !
June 30, 2013 at 9:02 pm #28216
ddaines
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Thingol wrote:

Hi guys.. I think this discussion goes to far…. now we are discussing about metal for casting… so there are 2 facts… metal for casting is definitely lighter and softer and I do not know in which category goes this… but the fact is that many figures in last releases are made from this kind of metal…

And the second think…. Elven king and 2 elves are for sure a little bit smaller then the same figures of the same characters…. I compared other figures and all of them are in the same scale and can not notice a any ( especially not – big ) difference…. and I compared all 4 Bards… and yes all of them have different size of heads… and 4 Boromir’s are all different… and all Aragorn’s figures.. non of them are no 100% same size…

So my suggestion is…. please guys we should stop with this and we must enjoy in this new great vignette… have a good night to all !

Wise words
June 30, 2013 at 9:38 pm #28217
Gildor
MMP Elder
okidoki, let’s celebrate then and discuss other matters

the twins Michaël and Alexander should be among us in a month or so now this summer won’t be a resting one for me I fear hehe
June 30, 2013 at 10:06 pm #28218
ddaines
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I’ll drink to that, and good luck Gildor and to your good lady too during the coming months
June 30, 2013 at 11:05 pm #28219
xenophile
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Well, kind words from Chris. While I am pleased to have played a part, there is no doubt that credit for the quality of the figures is due to him.

Probably my last word on shrinkage. As hsf62 suggests, any alloy will have a combination of spin speed, temperature and to a lesser extent mould pressure, where it gives best reproduction. A cold mould or a hot mould can cause problems of their own – moulds expand and contract too. Generally, the amount of shrinkage is tiny especially at 32mm scale. It becomes more apparent with larger models. Which is a shame since those the are ones which use most metal and where you may need to use a cheaper alloy. Bismuth and tin are expensive metals. (And when you are using different alloys, there is always the possibility of contamination. Contamination is bad.)

(The only effect on design I recall was making the bases thinner to use less metal. Some of the PA figures which preceded Mithril had very thick bases and these probably made up a third of their weight.)

Other factors besides reproduction accuracy and cost matter too by the way. Mechanical strength is more important as figures become larger or more intricate. And some alloys especially with antimony cast with a hard surface which doesn’t take paint well.

Chris did and probably still does measure things, but at this scale, there is bound to be a little variation figure to figure. And people aren’t all 2M high after all.

So slight differences in size could arise from any number of factors. Even looking too hard!
July 1, 2013 at 6:53 am #28220
cameosis
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a round for everybody on thingol and me!
July 1, 2013 at 6:57 am #28221
Thingol
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……and another round for everybody on Master cameosis and me ! …. and for Gildor’s boys…. another one + cheers !
July 1, 2013 at 6:58 am #28222
Barliman
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I shall have to wash up some crockery…
July 1, 2013 at 7:59 am #28223
Turambar
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What time is it, MAster Theobald?
Do you think we should have a nice hot coffee together . . . ?
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