THE TAPROOM 2

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February 1, 2012 at 3:53 pm #23001
Barliman
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Actually I’m surprised they haven’t thought of it themselves. Perhaps we should have a word with The Man instead. It would make an interesting personalised MX concept.
February 1, 2012 at 9:15 pm #23005
cameosis
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Barliman wrote:

Hmmmm. Debating the matter any further is clearly futile, Master Cameosis, since you’re as dedicated to your viewpoint as I am to mine.

a fine closing statement, as it is on point. we’ll have to agree to disagree.

“to dis” means to bash or to insult someone—dict.org is a multilingual online dictionary. “dis” is also listed as colloquialism, by the way.

Barliman wrote:

It doesn’t look as if any of it is by the Perrys, which is where the problem is, of course

the perry twins have turned to sculpting historical miniatures exclusively and have no plans of returning to the fantasy (pelennor) field.

Gildor Inglorion wrote:

we have the same problem with french being sometimes totally “raped” in its integrity under the banner of a “living tongue that has to evolve”…. I personnaly am against such nonsense but that’s my personnal opinion…

while i too am against the anglicization of many a language, i don’t believe that imposing french song quotas on radio stations is a very sensible or democratic way of preserving french, for instance … i do like the “organisation internationale de la francophonie.”

phonetic spelling would be wonderful, as it would mean that everyone could read and write. the orthography of the croat language is phonetic.

Theobald wrote:

Huuoommm … sorry, gentlemen, but I just witnessed that this serious discussion about language and linguistics still keeps on … rhuoommm … I did not want to interfere here

the fault is all mine. but the lawyer and the troll in me got the better part of me this time.
February 1, 2012 at 9:49 pm #23006
Barliman
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Interesting what you say about the Perrys. They’re friends of mine (though I have to admit I haven’t spoken to them lately) – do you mean they no longer work at GW? If they don’t I’m very surprised indeed.
February 2, 2012 at 12:37 am #23011
cameosis
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Barliman wrote:

Interesting what you say about the Perrys. They’re friends of mine (though I have to admit I haven’t spoken to them lately) – do you mean they no longer work at GW? If they don’t I’m very surprised indeed.

that i can’t tell (meaning i don’t know, not that it’s any kind of secret) — but i had read on several miniature sites that they would stick to historicals, i.e. warhammer historical and their perry miniatures company — they’re very probably still with gw, but not doing fantasy anymore — at least from what i had gathered.

here is a long interview from december 2009, also sharing info about the way the models for lotr came to be — in short, they received instructions from weta, which was responsible for the character development and special effects in the movies et al.

http://www.battlegames.co.uk/documents/Perry_twins_interview-unabridged.pdf
February 2, 2012 at 8:27 am #23015
Barliman
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That’s quite an old interview. The reason I’m surprised by what you’ve suggested regarding fantasy figures is that when I spoke to Michael last (in the autumn) he said they were already working on figures for GW’s “Hobbit” range (and had also wangled themselves parts as extras in the movie, lucky beggars).

WETA were only responsible for the oiriginal film visualisations, and consequently the appearance of the first GW LOTR figures (Michael and Alan worked from WETA photographs, and also hands-on experience at the WETA “factory” – Michael wore the Sauron costume while it was being worked on for the film); GW’s own visualisers have been responsible for the GW LOTR figure designs not actually based on the film characters.
February 2, 2012 at 2:32 pm #23016
cameosis
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Barliman wrote:

WETA were only responsible for the oiriginal film visualisations, and consequently the appearance of the first GW LOTR figures (Michael and Alan worked from WETA photographs, and also hands-on experience at the WETA “factory” – Michael wore the Sauron costume while it was being worked on for the film); GW’s own visualisers have been responsible for the GW LOTR figure designs not actually based on the film characters.

it still means that weta gave instructions on how the figures have to look like, not the zaentz company. tolkien sold the film rights to united artists, which in turn sold them to zaentz. in the end, new line acquired the rights to produce the film and thus can visualize the characters through weta as it sees fit.

see pages 19-21, including a graph, here:
http://books.google.de/books?id=CTrTPcKOwvUC&pg=PA76&lpg=PA76&dq=saul+zaentz+weta+studios&source=bl&ots=ZKfhDvZ9DI&sig=MAScgWgr7TiM7RKrwSWjQHRVC_8&hl=en&sa=X&ei=wJoqT9ygJcPLsgb_qoXYDA&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=saul%20zaentz%20weta%20studios&f=false
February 2, 2012 at 3:09 pm #23017
Barliman
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You’ve lost me. My point is that it’s GW’s visualisers who’ve been responsible for the appearance of ALL the non-movie-originated LOTR figures (i.e., characters, costumes, monsters and equipment not seen in the movies), NOT WETA – who’ve certainly never given GW “instructions on how the [non-movie] figures have to look”. I know this from Richard Taylor himself, as well as the Perrys; I’ve even seen some of the GW visualisers’ colour artwork that the figure designers have been obliged to work from – “All very bad,” as JRRT would say. Somebody, not sure who, has to rubber-stamp it, I think, but I gather they’ve not changed anything that’s been presented to them. Far too busy counting the dollars, I imagine.
February 2, 2012 at 4:16 pm #23021
Barliman
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Ah, just seen the newsletter. Mauhur looks brilliant – whoever suggested it should be very pleased. I imagine that was our Orc-lover Shadyt, bless him. Shame that Beregond is delayed though.
February 2, 2012 at 4:37 pm #23022
Gildor
MMP Elder
I just saw the sale about HD1 too…. 6,12€ here that’s even CHEAP I’d say..that’s a sale indeed but we’re not used to such kind of generosity from mithril !
February 2, 2012 at 4:48 pm #23023
Barliman
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Indeed.
February 2, 2012 at 4:58 pm #23024
Theobald
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Huuoooommm … there seem to be some very nice Dunlending shield-design in the HD2 … rhuoomm … close to the shield of the Dunlending chieftain in the old LR-series … huoomm … I’ll see …
February 2, 2012 at 5:07 pm #23025
Gavin
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Yeah, the non-WETA visualisations are non-WETA, as it were.

GW just makes something vaguely like something they’ve already done and call it a day. And often have G. Morley sculpt it. Zaentz signs off on it, probably sight unseen (so long as it doesn’t look eye wateringly horrible, they don’t seem to care).

For contrast, Decipher made cards, using WETA costumes, of a lot of non-movie characters. The difference is pretty clear and poignant. (Also, check out the Hobbit trailer – we see the 2nd age High Elf armour show up again, as well as the Rivendell visualisation)
February 2, 2012 at 7:05 pm #23026
cameosis
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Barliman wrote:

You’ve lost me.

well possible — i meant the movie-based figures.
February 2, 2012 at 8:48 pm #23027
Gildor
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took some time tonight to add some picture from Thingol in the gallery and also update the database (I hear you saying “At Last!”) with M520-524

I will add PCH7, PM4, and M525-529 when I hold them in my hands (for elements counting…)
February 2, 2012 at 9:32 pm #23028
Barliman
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Theobald wrote:

Huuoooommm … there seem to be some very nice Dunlending shield-design in the HD2 … rhuoomm … close to the shield of the Dunlending chieftain in the old LR-series … huoomm … I’ll see …

Yes, they do look rather nice, don’t they? I always rather liked the Dunlending chieftain’s shield.
February 2, 2012 at 9:37 pm #23030
Barliman
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cameosis wrote:

Barliman wrote:

You’ve lost me.

well possible — i meant the movie-based figures.

It was GW’s non-movie monstrosities that were under debate, not their movie-based figures, which is why you lost me. But not to worry. You’d probably just drunk too much scrumpy, which is why you weren’t making sense. Scrumpy and troll just don’t mix.
February 3, 2012 at 1:29 am #23032
cameosis
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Barliman wrote:

You’d probably just drunk too much scrumpy, which is why you weren’t making sense. Scrumpy and troll just don’t mix.

i’ll take another barrel then.
February 3, 2012 at 8:38 am #23034
Barliman
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For a little more money I could arrange a pipeline to your office.
February 3, 2012 at 12:59 pm #23035
cameosis
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i’m positive my clients would love seeing the more “creative” legal translations that i’d churn out as a result …
February 7, 2012 at 5:14 pm #23048
Gildor
MMP Elder
Has anybody received their Sauron figurine yet?

It seems my package was once again lost… and with it, the n°1 casting … it’s the third time mithril packages do not reach me… and I only have problems with mithril about that…
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