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August 6, 2015 at 8:50 pm #32833
Gildor
MMP Elder
so many things to improve, and so little “hearing”….
August 7, 2015 at 11:49 am #32834
Milo
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Barliman wrote:

You obviously have a lot of time on your hands, Master Milo!

Have a drink, as a reward.

I have no spare time Master barliman. I just take it, as written below in my signature.
Thanks for the drink, I appreciate you reward passion & PP loyalty. 😎
August 7, 2015 at 9:38 pm #32835
Theobald
Participant
huooommm … dear Master Milo is right concerning time to spend … huom … though a very busy Hobbit he is … huom
August 7, 2015 at 11:20 pm #32836
Tolwen
Participant
Beside all the posts already mentioned here – and which are absolutely valid IMO – the question of metal vs. resin or plastic in Mithril is non-existent AFAIK. I remember from an older discussion or question on this topic that someone from Mithril (I’m not entirely sure whether it was Michael or someone else) very clearly and unmistakeably stated that Mithril has a license only for metal miniatures. If that is true indeed (and I have no reason to doubt it), they are not allowed by their contract to produce resin or plastic Mithril minis.
I am not sure whether MEE would have any interest in improving Mithril’s license (my bet is they don’t) in this respect, as Mithril has an “old” license that is probably far less expensive than GW’s one. And given MEE’s sole interest in pressing as much money as they can out of the licenses, they’d probably welcome any opportunity to raise royalties for such an old and “unprofitable” license…

If resin or plastic were to be made (and there’s no change in licensing), it must be under another brand name and not Mithril (with the Middle-earth logo printed on it) and avoiding any names or terms protected by MEE’s IP rights.

Cheers
Tolwen
August 7, 2015 at 11:37 pm #32837
Gildor
MMP Elder
a very good point indeed mistress Tolwen ! and I think you are perfectly right about those licence matters.

I think they can use plastic or resin though for other purpose than the figurines themselves, (accessories, base without characters, though MB279 was an exception)

I saw on the net that prince August actually sells some plastic figures for historical armies or such…
they just don’t do that for Mithril
August 8, 2015 at 11:24 am #32838
Turambar
Participant
So- it seems,after what Master Tolwen pointed out, that the discussion about resin, metal, plastic and whatever is over at this point.
August 9, 2015 at 10:09 pm #32839
Theobald
Participant
Huoommm … I think you’re right, Master Turambar …
rhûom … so I might get back to think in pub(lic) about the latest MS-releases … ahem … there’s one more thing that I came across concerning the still-not-fat Forlong … rhuomgrUoomm … maybe someone can help me … so, in that small leaflet-thing it reads ” … is clad in a coat of fine chainmail, with a decorated Gondorian helmet.” … you see? … no? …. huom … that decorated helmet is not there … so, who the heck does write the texts for those leaflet-things? … huom ?
August 10, 2015 at 6:38 am #32841
Barliman
Participant
I’d always thought it was Master O’Brien; but it’s odd that he hasn’t even looked at a figure before writing its blurb.
August 10, 2015 at 8:06 am #32842
Gildor
MMP Elder
unless this text was written “before” with yet another version of Forlong which had a helmet, and they did not update the text…
August 10, 2015 at 9:32 am #32843
Arthadan
Participant
I thought Mr. Tubb was learning digital sculpting and I made the assumption Mithril was planning to move into plastic at some point.

Am I right about the digital sculpting at least?
August 10, 2015 at 12:20 pm #32845
Gildor
MMP Elder
you are right about digital sculpting, Mithril is to move to 3D printing to create “masters” in a “plastic” medium (the one used for 3d printing) but for final castings, they never said they would go anything else than metal

the idea is not to CAST in plastic, it is to Print in plastic, in order to create moulds for metal. That’s how i understood it… Indeed they could always go full 3d printing instead of casting, but that would mean…. cancel jobs at mithril…. those who create moulds, spin them, cast them, smooth finish the casts etc…
August 10, 2015 at 12:50 pm #32846
Arthadan
Participant
That’s quite curious Master Elf. As far as I know, plastic moulds can’t be used to cast metal and make your sculptor spend years learning digital sculpting just to save moulding costs (getting a expensive 3D printer as well) doesn’t sound like a reasonable business decission.

Anyway, let’s wait and see what the future brings…
August 10, 2015 at 8:22 pm #32849
Gildor
MMP Elder
well I may have misunderstood it but if I remember well that’s what was meant… printing masters only… but things change….
August 13, 2015 at 8:13 am #32862
Milo
Participant
Hi master Barliman,
I just come back from a 3 days walk in the Pyrénées. I found places that could be ME.
Please ask Nob to prepare a special BIG breafast for a starving hobbit.
Kschink, Kschink, Kschonk….
August 13, 2015 at 8:45 am #32863
Barliman
Participant
Yes, it’s encouraging that some beautiful corners can still be found in this world, unblemished and unsullied. But every day I see another field that was once rich with flowers being dug up for the foundations of some new housing estate or shopping centre. Also, a rash of wind generators is springing up in various corners of Bree at the moment – ugly, dreadful things!

I guess all we can do these days is make the most of the nice places that remain! But I pity the next generation. (Sorry, I’m feeling very negative today. Perhaps I need a drink. Perhaps I need a lot of drinks…)
August 13, 2015 at 11:15 am #32864
Gavin
Participant
Arthadan wrote:

That’s quite curious Master Elf. As far as I know, plastic moulds can’t be used to cast metal and make your sculptor spend years learning digital sculpting just to save moulding costs (getting a expensive 3D printer as well) doesn’t sound like a reasonable business decission.

Anyway, let’s wait and see what the future brings…

Indeed. The Mithril masters are made from plasticine, currently. This would just mean a different material for the master.
August 13, 2015 at 3:33 pm #32866
Gildor
MMP Elder
well depending on what kind of stuff they want to make with their 3D printer…. the cost may not be that high… I’ve been to a convention for 3d printing, and you can get a level of detail similar to many figurines manufacturers for less than 10 000€ but it takes HOURS (more than 10 or even 20) to get the figurine done.

that is acceptable, if the purpose is to make a SINGLE figurine, the master

Fast 3d printing on the other hand would be dramatically more expensive
August 13, 2015 at 3:38 pm #32867
Barliman
Participant
Your cost of 10€ presumably doesn’t allow for the hours of time and electricity that must be involved!
August 13, 2015 at 4:52 pm #32868
Gildor
MMP Elder
about electricity I don’t know how much it costs though the models I have seen did not use more than a regular computer power in watts

as for “hours of time”? well you can let the machine print and be away, does not need you to be behind . printers using extrusion deposition (Fused deposition modeling – FDM) are slow slow slow, but less expensive but the results are not so smooth and you sometimes see layers…
those using stereolithography (SLA) or photopolymerization are better and absolutly impressive and fast, using photopolymer and laser.

well I’m not an expert I admit… this convention was just to show people that “everybody” could afford a FDM 3d printer because there were several kinds of models, not necessarily all “high end” models

I just saw a movie of this : http://global.sprintray.us/moonray
this is a kickstarter project that was achieved and works well, you have a movie to show the results https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAarwapThQ0 (it is great for figurines actually!)

“desktop” FDM printers cost less than 1000€,

“dekstop” SLA printers cost between 4000 and 10000€

all in all, that’s not what I call expensive, for an industry…
August 13, 2015 at 8:39 pm #32869
Theobald
Participant
Huoommm … all that is very strange to me, as you can imagine … rhûom …
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