The Taproom

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August 29, 2009 at 5:15 pm #6695
Gildor
MMP Elder
alas I think the crisis only “begins” for me…
August 29, 2009 at 6:52 pm #6699
Theobald
Participant
Huoommmrhuommm … hom … may I have a bowl of that “you know what”, please …. uooom
I’m glad to have the barkeep back here again … rhuoomm … at least you knows how to top up a bowl … and not let them others to run down your “Pony” …
What is this crises-talk about? … I’m used to produce my own ones …. rhuoomm … do you need more? …. rhuoomm … hommm … maybe I can provide …
August 30, 2009 at 6:18 am #6702
Barliman
Participant
Er, no thanks, I have quite enough already, what with work and poor health. I clearly need to drink more.

Doess anyone have any preferences or want to take any bets on who will win the GF poll? It’s a real neck-and-neck race this month.
August 30, 2009 at 1:16 pm #6706
Gildor
MMP Elder
well beechbone or Arvedui are ok for me though I admit I’d prefer seeing Arvedui somehow, he has been submitted before and the description I gave could be quite original… If it’s a draw I am more than certain that Michael, instead of letting Chris pickup his own choice, will let the vote continue until there’s a winner …. and will invoke some kind of unavailability of him to close the vote
August 31, 2009 at 7:23 am #6712
twrich
Participant
And I could live with either as well, Beechbone or Arvedui. Master Gildor, you and I have nominated him many times. I hope that if he wins, Chris will tuck at least one palantir in his robes, or have him hold it under an arm.
August 31, 2009 at 7:38 am #6714
Gildor
MMP Elder
that would be fitting indeed Tom
though the palantir of Anuminas, if I remember well, was a bigger one… and maybe not easy to carry “by hand”, like the Orthanc or Minas Anor/Tirith one…
Maybe the palantir of Amon Sul then?
August 31, 2009 at 1:10 pm #6716
erchamion
Participant
The Osgiliath and Amon Sûl palantiri were the biggest palantiri. A single man could not lift them, as stated in Unfinished Tales. The others: Orthanc, Minas Anor, Minas Ithil, Annúminas and Elostirion were smaller ones. Beyond was the main palantir of Tol Eressëa.
The Annúminas palantir is perhaps Arvedui can carry under your arm.
August 31, 2009 at 2:11 pm #6718
Gildor
MMP Elder
damn I mistook the anunminas one for the Amon Sul one, mea culpa
August 31, 2009 at 3:17 pm #6720
Barliman
Participant
Well the official end-time for voting is past, and it looks like King Arvedui has won by a single vote. What will be interesting now is to see how many late votes materialise before Michael officially ‘closes’ the poll tomorrow.
September 1, 2009 at 5:22 am #6724
twrich
Participant
Yes Gildor, it would have to be the Palanir of Annuminas; this was the cheif palantir of the North Kingdom. Arvedui, which literally means “last king” in the Sindarin, would have tried to save this heirloom over any other.

So thank you Gildor, it would be fitting if the palantir of Annuminas (The Tower Of The Sun) was included as a part of this figure.
September 1, 2009 at 5:41 am #6726
Barliman
Participant
Almost predictably, a late vote has come in to make the result a draw again, so let’s hope Michael does ‘the right thing’ and pays attention to Gildor’s post of 5:49 to see that Arvedui was the REAL victor.
September 1, 2009 at 7:53 am #6727
erchamion
Participant
I remind you that there is still a vote for Michael (and possibly also that of Chris). They tend to vote at the end. Although there are deadlines for voting, Michael always said the most votes later is better than a suggestion with few votes.
I do not care who wins. The truth is that Arvedui takes many attempts and deserves to win now. Other times I voted because I love it. Beechbone is new. And as seems to have been well accepted one really wins in the coming months ….. I hope ….:rolleyes:
September 1, 2009 at 8:07 am #6728
Barliman
Participant
Do we actually KNOW that The Man and Michael vote? Personally, I would still deem it unethical to vote after the official end-time, whether I’m the webmaster or whoever. If you aren’t going to adhere to the end-time you’ve set yourself, then what is the point of having an end-time at all? – which I admit, I’ve sometimes wondered when I’ve seen winning figures beaten long after the closing time…
September 1, 2009 at 8:23 am #6729
ESTEL
Participant
Barliman wrote:

Do we actually KNOW that The Man and Michael vote? Personally, I would still deem it unethical to vote after the official end-time, whether I’m the webmaster or whoever. If you aren’t going to adhere to the end-time you’ve set yourself, then what is the point of having an end-time at all? – which I admit, I’ve sometimes wondered when I’ve seen winning figures beaten long after the closing time…

Yes, Barli, you are absolutely right. I would not like the idea of ‘illegal” or unethical votes. If Chris is the one who has the last word (spoken officially) in case of a draw, it’s o.k.
September 1, 2009 at 8:25 am #6730
erchamion
Participant
Barliman wrote:

Do we actually KNOW that The Man and Michael vote? Personally, I would still deem it unethical to vote after the official end-time, whether I’m the webmaster or whoever. If you aren’t going to adhere to the end-time you’ve set yourself, then what is the point of having an end-time at all? – which I admit, I’ve sometimes wondered when I’ve seen winning figures beaten long after the closing time…

I mentioned earlier. According to Michael, to have a maximum number of votes of the members. Don´t limit votes to have a term vote fixed-immovable-inexcusable….
Anyway this is not a horse race at Ascot where they says: “No more bets” …:lol::lol:

A beer in honor of Arvedui and Beechbone!
September 1, 2009 at 9:44 am #6731
Barliman
Participant
I repeat, Master Erchamion, votes should be cast within the designated time-frame, otherwise there’s no point at all in setting one. It’s how all voting systems work, except where voting is rigged.
September 1, 2009 at 12:31 pm #6732
Gavin
Participant
Barliman wrote:

Do we actually KNOW that The Man and Michael vote? Personally, I would still deem it unethical to vote after the official end-time, whether I’m the webmaster or whoever. If you aren’t going to adhere to the end-time you’ve set yourself, then what is the point of having an end-time at all? – which I admit, I’ve sometimes wondered when I’ve seen winning figures beaten long after the closing time…

I am almost certain that Chris and Michael have the final “tie-break” votes. They may even have weighted votes (more valuable votes). Such arrangements are common in private voting systems such as members only clubs, company boards and so on. And since this is a member’s only club (of sorts), then it makes some sense.

Gavin
September 1, 2009 at 12:47 pm #6733
Barliman
Participant
Fine when there’s a tie, but when there isn’t I would hope that it’s the ‘members’ rather than the ‘officers’ who decide the issue.
September 1, 2009 at 2:39 pm #6734
Gildor
MMP Elder
well we’ll see what Michael says and how the things turn out until the vote is closed…

Though I admit I could quite well be disapointed if, Beechbone gets more votes and wins over Arvedui after the end of votes… I’ll be happy to see a Beechbone indeed, as I like the suggestion too…. but that would once again prove the vote rules are not enforced at all… that would be sad… (it’s not because the current votes in several countries worldwide are quite cheated and it’s commonly “accepted” lately in many countries that we have to accept such a lack of seriousness even if the votes are not soo significative for our day-to-day life
September 1, 2009 at 3:34 pm #6735
erchamion
Participant
Well, Michael decided and decided by ….. Arvedui….. with his last vote
Regards, King Arvedui!
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