The Taproom
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August 30, 2010 at 6:14 pm #11671
Drinks all round! I’ll add the cost to someone else’s tab…Who’s the richest person here? I think it was Master Shadyt who said he bought multiples of the MS figures when he liked them, so we’ll let him pay.
August 30, 2010 at 6:39 pm #11673I hope Master Milo that your long journey passed with lot’s of great adventures… there and back again…
August 30, 2010 at 6:44 pm #11674It seems we have a tie in the GF vote this month.Anyone know what happens now?
August 30, 2010 at 6:48 pm #11675Maybe they will make both, since the have cleared up the back-log of unfinished winners.
August 30, 2010 at 7:28 pm #11676The won´t surely not release two miniatures a month. And they will have certain reasons to justify it . . .
Though I have to say that I would really liked it !August 30, 2010 at 9:38 pm #11679Officially The Man has the casting vote when there’s a tie. Mind you, I’m not sure whether it has ever happened before. Where’s the Elf when you need him? – or, come to that, the Tree? This is the sort of information they have at their finger (or twig) tips.
But don’t be surprised if all of a sudden the number of votes inexplicably changes so that there’s no longer a tie – that has happened before.
Of the two I’d prefer Mauhur, as being a named character, and as should be known by now I always prefer real Tolkien characters. But we shall see.
August 30, 2010 at 10:09 pm #11680mmhh I’m here, what can I do for master innkeeper? well indeed the Man has the final decision in case of a tie…
fact is I don’t know what he would prefer… the Variags of Khand are related to easterlings though different, they are rather southrons…
Mauhur is an orc…honestly I don’t know, but I’m sure he’ll prefer originality over repetition… no matter his choice…
Actually I think he would prefer Mauhur… not only because he is a “character” but also because he can stand “all by himself” while a “foot archer” tends to mean it would be a part of a whole that will never happen at least for a while…
building single references of what should constitutes a full army range has always been odd for me…Either you suggest a full Khand range with at least 10 figurines (like dol amroth, lossarnach, corsairs of umbar etc…) either you suggest a figurine that could stand alone as well as be put as an officer of an army or be used in dioramas…
I have nothing against officers as GF figurines, but a simple infantry character without his fellow mates would feel like an “orphan” in the mithril range… that would be odd don’t you think?August 31, 2010 at 12:23 am #11682If the Variag archer was chosen, then he would be used as a captain for any future Easterling armies.
Or use him as an on-foot companion to the old Variag.
Beyond that, though? No idea.
August 31, 2010 at 5:51 am #11686So if the casting vote does not decide…. it always could be arranged to release both figures but one month we could make a break and abstain voting. That will both guys made satisfied. And just simply make vignette where Mauhur speaks with variag archer and give him instructions for next attack…. or they just chatting about tee time… before next battle.
August 31, 2010 at 7:46 am #11687So this discussion came to an an end, didn´t it. Let´s wait and see.
Time for an interruption of a special kind:
I would like to give Mistress Wendy an invitation because of her kindness! Yes I will! 😎
Master Barliman, do you have this famous italian Bitter here in these outskirts . . .
If so, I am sure she will like it! Chin!August 31, 2010 at 12:59 pm #11689Huoooommmm … right then … the answer is quite simple … huom … let me try to explain …
Master Barliman has a brilliant memory … there once was a similar situation with a draw in the end … rhuoommm … a bit later some people were surprised to witness that after a few days the number of the totals of votes was slightly raised (after the voting ended) and because of that there was a winner in the end … rhuoommmhuom … “how does it come?” people asked … huom … the answer then was given by Master O’Brian, he pointed out that in a situation like that it is Master Tubb having the “final say” … huooommmm … which to me is alright … huom
No, there won’t ever be two figures being released because of a draw in the voting for one month … huom … I’m sure about that … hooooooommmm … so I’m sure there will be a winner for this month soon …. huom … that’s what I know of and what I remember …. homAugust 31, 2010 at 1:57 pm #11690As erudite as ever, Master Tree.
August 31, 2010 at 4:28 pm #11691Huooommm … well, Master Barliman, …. ahem … I’m not … huoommm
… anyway, Master O’Brian just stated that there are certain “rules” that will be kept … hom … but that also means that the decision will be the one Master Tubb takes … rhuoommmmmhom … so it’s up to that poor lad … hoommm … I don’t envy him for having to decide about this matter .
..but I’m sure there will be no-one around here to doubt or discuss that decision …. right?August 31, 2010 at 4:43 pm #11692well, Grond philisophy debate on the non-manichean way of orcs who could be good is quite irrelevant I think…
Orcs are not a race by themselves, since their creation they have not been free to have their own will. these were artificially created beasts made out of elves
as for the decision, I say the same as Master Theobald. Chris will decide… there won’t be any other alternative … as such things happened in the past and there were problems of fairness… involved
August 31, 2010 at 4:55 pm #11693Actually, in his closing years JRRT’s thoughts were leading him more and more to the ‘belief’ that Orcs were actually corrupted Men rather than Elves, but of course, it was all a bit too late by that time, since his legendarium required orcs to exist long before the first Men had even been born, LOTR had long since been published, and his Fisrt Age material was in what might be called a bugger’s muddle that would become even more muddled if he’d lived long enough to start rewriting it (yet again)… This is all covered in one of the HOME volumes, though for the life of me I can’t remember which (memory like a lumber room, etc).
August 31, 2010 at 5:24 pm #11694I think the easiest thing to do is split the difference.
Orcs are corrupted Elves – and Men.
There’s an idea/ possibility that Orcs are immortal, like Elves, unless they are killed. This is probably false. They could well be long lived (Check out Azog and Bolg’s family tree). Which would make a bit more sense if they were mortal, but somehow tied to ancient bloodlines.
Also, Morgoth’s armies of corrupted Elves would have started getting a bit thin once the Noldo showed up. Grab Men too, which have the numbers and brutishness Morgoth needed and voila, an army.
August 31, 2010 at 5:59 pm #11695Huoommmm … some parts of the discussion that is taking place here at the moment reminds me of topics having been discussed several times already some time ago … huom …
Hoomm … I think it’s time to suggest that “female Orc” on that board again … rhuoommmUntil then, let me just stand aside with a bowl of clear-clean-non-sparkeling-honey-coloured water from Master Barliman’s “Ent-special”, topped up by the leak in the roof … huommm
August 31, 2010 at 6:26 pm #11696Surely Azog and Bolg would have had a family cave, not a family tree?
September 1, 2010 at 1:17 am #11698There was an interesting thread on TMP recently which discussed the whole origin of orcs and how do they reproduce. JRRT had not really worked this out completely and some of his writings related to this do exist, but are never to be published. For an overly simple summation, I would say that the scene under Isengard in the Jackson films was closer to Tolkien’s idea and not just an invention of PJ (who researched original works). And Tolkien himself struggled with the origins and implications right up to his death. One thing is sure though, no female orcs are ever mentioned and there is a reason for this…
September 1, 2010 at 7:02 am #11699female orcs are hinted at in some letters…. though not admitted to exist, but mentionned as a “possibility” , without further detail
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