The Taproom

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August 11, 2008 at 12:03 am #2836
Wendy
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There is some neat stuff in the Mayor Samwise’s Gallery.
August 11, 2008 at 5:33 am #2839
Barliman
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Glad to hear you’re on the mend, Master Axe. But if you don’t want to suffer any relapses I’d recommend you steer clear of the scrumpy – I genuinely don’t know what the rats I put in there have eaten.
August 11, 2008 at 6:10 am #2840
Gildor
MMP Elder
don’t forget to visit the categories outside the mailboard itself database and gallery mostly
August 11, 2008 at 6:48 am #2841
ESTEL
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MAE GOVANNEN MELLON,

well after having a look at the pages and some pictures, I have seen the travelling Elrond at Chris T. home. Nice details in the back. Is that a black Numenorean rider in the far left??
Well the picture is definitly worth a look (as all of the features of Gildors sites are!).
Would be interesting to see many more pics of the Masters workbench and design room.

NAMARIE
estel
August 11, 2008 at 7:04 am #2842
Gildor
MMP Elder
well there are some in the “About Mithril & Chris Tubb” page… with pictures of Chris himself working in his workroom…
that’s all I have from him
August 11, 2008 at 7:02 pm #2856
ddaines
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Just jumping back to Barli(?)’s post about things not quite right, and I can’t confirm it ‘cos I haven’t got the time to research it, but shouldn’t the Numenorians and ‘High’ Elf types be a bit taller than the other figures of lesser men – I’m sure somewhere it says the Numenoreans were knocking on seven feet tall and their stride was …….., and the elfy boys were tall as well.

Having said that I suppose that when you are working on figures this size an ‘accurate’ interpretation of seven feet tall might push the scale to look visually wrong.

If anyone has a Numenorian figure to hand that can be compared to a ‘lesser’ man they may be able to confirm or refute this suggestion I can’t get to any without causing chaos in the delicate eco-system that is my hobby/display room.
August 12, 2008 at 3:41 am #2864
Axe99
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From memory, you’re spot on with the Numenoreans and the ‘High’ elves (Eldar in particular) – although I think the Nandor (memory faint – please correct me if I’m wrong) were sorta normal-tall. I remember comparing some of the Isildur/Anarion Mithrils and I think they were a bit taller than the average man – although I think some of the higher elves (Elrond in particular) seem to come in a little shorter than you’d expect.
August 12, 2008 at 3:42 am #2865
Axe99
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On another note, great site Gildor – am very much enjoying getting to know it
August 12, 2008 at 5:56 am #2868
Barliman
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You’re absolutely right regarding the heights business, Dave (you can still see the dent in the taproom doorframe where a bunch of Elves in helmets came through a few years back). JRRT tells us that the Noldor were the tallest Elves, and though I can’t find the actual reference anywhere I’m pretty sure that they were about seven feet. Mind you, if you rfead LOTR often enough you’ll begin to notice that ‘tall’ is one of the Professor’s favoiurite adjectives, and is applied to just about anyone important at some point in the story (Hobbits and Dwarves excepted).

Chris, on the other hand, has never seen the Elves and Numenoreans as quite so tall as perhaps JRRT intended. There used to be a chart of creature heights on the Mithril wsebsite some years ago (it may still be there, but I haven’t looked), and it can also be found on page 3 of the Mithril Classics Handbook. In this the Noldor Elves stand only about 6ft 3in (sorry, my brain refuses to think in metric at this time in the morning) and the Sindar about 6ft.
August 12, 2008 at 11:02 am #2870
hsf62
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6ft 3in = 1,905m
6ft = 1,83m
August 12, 2008 at 11:04 am #2871
hsf62
Participant
Not very tall at all!
My brother is already 6ft 6in = 1,98m
August 12, 2008 at 11:44 am #2872
Barliman
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Well that’s taller than Mrs B – she’s only 4ft 9in (1.45m; that’ll be because of her half-Hobbit ancestry).

Regarding heights, I’ve now found a note I penned some years ago when I was putting together an article on the armies of Middle-earth for a wargaming magazine (which I never got round to completing – too many bars to sweep, barrels to shift, etc). In it I wrote:

“Tolkien tells us the Gondorians were the tallest Men found anywhere in Middle-earth during the Third Age, being descended from the famously tall Men of Númenór. Elendil, the first Númenórean high king of Gondor and Arnor, and the tallest Númenórean on record, had stood at nearly 8 ft, but this was unusual enough to earn him the epithet ‘Elendil the Tall’. By the middle of the Third Age intermarriage with other races of Men meant that most Gondorians probably averaged about 7 ft, and by the War of the Ring 6 ft 4 ins seems to have been generally considered ‘man-high’.”

From memory much of the info for this observation came from Unfinished Tales and The Peoples of Middle-earth, though I concede that my memory isn’t entirely clear on that score.
August 14, 2008 at 2:03 am #2880
Gavin
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That observation looks spot on, Master Barkeep.

I should go check sources for you, too.

But right now my head is mush!
August 14, 2008 at 5:45 am #2882
Barliman
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Sorry, that’ll be the scrumpy.
August 15, 2008 at 3:34 pm #2887
Theobald
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Huooommmmrhuooommmmmm ….. hom! Just a moment, please, gentlemen. Just a moment.
As Master Gildor has completed his Database perfectly a short while ago … huoomm there should be a toast for that …. rhuoommm …
To our Wandering Elf ,named Gildor, who took upon himself that incredible task of providing what he calls a database – rhuoommm – which must be something more difficult than just piling up bar tabs, meseems … rhuoommm … and having done that excellently …. hom … I mean excellent …. rhuoommhom … knowing that it also will turn out to be some kind of endless work to be continued … huom … anyway … alas, I’m not the one born to hold a speech … rhuoomm.
But I would like you all here to raise your glasses, mugs, bottles, bowls, flagons, cups … huomm or whatever you prefer to keep your liquids in … and join me in saying … huuoomm …
THANK YOU, Master Gildor !!!! Excellent work indeed.
Rhuoommm … a bit louder, please.
August 15, 2008 at 3:40 pm #2888
Barliman
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Absolutely agree, Master Tree. I’d offer everyone free drinks if anyone ever paid for any.
August 15, 2008 at 4:46 pm #2889
Theobald
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Rhuoommm…. huoommm … thanks for the free drink, Master Barliman … hom … I did pay for everything I consumed around here as far as I know …. rhuoommm … different currencies there were, of course … hom … rumours, coiny things, metal pieces and suchlike … rhuom.
Please don’t be that hasty in providing again mine flagons of that honey-coloured-clear-clean-appely-tasting-refreshing-water … huoomm … you have a much more shorter name for that which I cannot remember … rhuoommm
August 15, 2008 at 6:46 pm #2890
jdbrown55
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I will raise my glass to that! Great Job, Gildor the Wandering Elf! 😆
Oh Barli, about my tab, well I will get back to you on that one.
August 16, 2008 at 11:51 am #2891
hsf62
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The Master tree speaks from the heart!
Nothing more to say than well done Master Gildor!
Cheers and a long and fulfilling live for the keeper of wisdom and knowlage!
August 17, 2008 at 2:17 pm #2893
ddaines
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Just home, but I’ve raised my mug as well
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