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May 28, 2009 at 11:20 am #5405
Another thought. :rolleyes:
The change in the quality of the metal can´t be proof of the price increase. If we analyze the weight of the figure of the new serie-m (taking into account an average size of the single human race) and compared with previous series, we can see that has remained virtually the last editions.
The Rangers of Ithilien
20 gr. per figure
The Village of Bree
30 gr. per figure
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The Corsairs of Umbar
50 gr. per figure
Knights of Dol Amroth
45 gr. per figure
Helm´s Deep Part.1
50 gr. per figureThe almost double the price of individual figures can not be justified by the change in the alloy.
Indeed, one might ask, for example, why a pirate of Umbar weighs more twice than a ranger of Ithilien ….. Do they also have been winning with shipping ?…. Sorry for my comment, but I am quite surprised. Hopefully I’m wrong, but it could be that Mithril is economically quite worse than we imagine …..May 28, 2009 at 11:37 am #5406No, there is air inside the Rangers, like in German bread . . . 😆
May 28, 2009 at 12:51 pm #5407It is as I thought… I received an answer from Chris Tubb (and it is not often that the Man answers THAT quickly after a mail because he is rather busy)
He is (and was) not aware of Mithril “politics” and pricings and he is trying to contact Lars Edman about this but so far he has not managed to get hold on him… He will re-contact me as soon as he has an answer to this “crisis” … he feels very concerned too about this problem… He was clearly not consulted on this case…(when I tell you that Chris has not his word or vision on what’s going on at Mithril enterprise…)
More to come, I hope…
May 28, 2009 at 2:05 pm #5408erchamion wrote:Hopefully I’m wrong, but it could be that Mithril is economically quite worse than we imagine …..That is my fear.
Who knows? Maybe in a (ridiculously vain) attempt to improve the economy, localities in Ireland have dramatically increased taxes? (Or the EU is punishing Ireland for voting no on the constitution? Or stupid attempts to manipulate the money/credit supply have backfired and led to inflation? Or…………….TE is increasing the cost of the license?)
May 28, 2009 at 2:16 pm #5409It’s not taxes – there are some movements to increase Irish taxes, which got parlously low during the “tiger” years – they had things like regional hospitals closing due to lack of funding. They have been talking about some sort of tax increase, but that would not typically involve 100% price markups.
And no, the EU hasn’t punished Ireland for voting No. Not yet at any rate. They wouldn’t even punish Ireland – just be slower to dole out goodies to Ireland.
So that’s not it either. Likely its something to do with the economy though. The Irish economy tanked. Iceland, Ireland and Spain are Europe’s basket cases right now. If I were to speculate wildly, I’d say that Mithril got its operating credit from maybe Allied Irish Bank (I seem to remember that being the branch mentioned) and AIB is highly screwed. AIB cannot provide cheap credit for small businesses anymore –> sudden increase in operating costs for small businesses –> increase in price.
Also, possibly far simpler, Mithril used to make 5000 copies of every M model. They made 2500 copies of the LR models. They make 200 or so copies of an MS model. I bet Mithril are only making 1000-1500 copies of these M models and are charging accordingly.
May 28, 2009 at 2:25 pm #5410What’s the point of “only” making 1500 copies of a M mould charge a price that high and don’t sell any of them….
May 28, 2009 at 2:28 pm #5411I am not sure what to say about all of this, so I will remain silent for now.
I just hope this situation gets rectified.
May 28, 2009 at 2:29 pm #5412If you have problems and you have to much stock, sell the stock cheaper to keep the money flowing. That would make a lot more sense.
MX Imrahil 150 for sale and still available after all that time! €30.00
Now you get 3 of a M release for the same price of a MX! WowMay 28, 2009 at 2:33 pm #5413But hopefully Mithril does not have any problems, they only became greedy.
Everything is ok then.May 28, 2009 at 2:37 pm #5414I am not sure if they are being greedy, but we really won’t know until they respond to all of this.
They do need to do like you said Master Caster and sell back stock that they have for cheaper prices to get rid of what they have.
May 28, 2009 at 3:46 pm #5415Huooommmrhuoomm … all this nearly left me speechless. I just officially supported the boycot Master Gildor suggested on the GF-board and of course I will support anything else to make clear that this price policy to me is abolutely INACCEPTABLE.
Rhuoomm … and believe me that I’m more than angry because of two reasons:First I think it is an absolutely miserable behaviour NOT to inform those people who have that ‘autoshipment’ in time about such a radical explosion of prices (unfortunately it was me who years ago successfully suggested that idea).
Second, I tried to support the company, maybe more than some others, because I do LIKE what The Man does. I supported the MX-Frumgar financially, then I submissioned the MX-Imrahil on my own, and at the moment there’s even another MX I submissioned on its way. A rather massive one, by the way. (Of that one not a single piece will be sold if I transfer the rise in costs we witnessed to such an MX.)
This makes me more than angry, believe me ….. rrrrrrrhoooommm!
Huoommm … as at the moment I’m in contact with The Man, I will try to point out our concerns to him …. as Master Gildor already did …. huom.
May 28, 2009 at 3:54 pm #5416The Ents rarely get angry, but when they do, remove the rock and hardly we can stop them …..
May 28, 2009 at 4:44 pm #5417Well, it seems Mithril has responded to Gildor’s message somewhat. I am not sure what will still be the outcome of all of this.
Please, Master Tree, let me know when you start marching so I can mount my horse and charge with you!May 28, 2009 at 4:55 pm #5418I answered to Michael (and thus to Lars)
I don’t accept this answer… you can read mine… and as I said I boycot June suggestions… if you too do not accept Mithril behavior (even if their explanation could be justified somehow… doing it without warning is not acceptable)
so for this month… show your disapointment… Do Not Suggest… Do Not Vote… spread the word
(besides, that will help sparing some money…. and help Chris manage his backlog…)
May 28, 2009 at 5:42 pm #5419Wow! You are bold! Well I hope it does something.
I won’t suggest or vote for this month either.
May 28, 2009 at 5:56 pm #5420(well you can post that you don’t suggest like Theobald and I did… that will enforce the position…)
Indeed this is bold… I have not spent years of my life and months of hard technical work to promote mithril help mithril be known, advertise my site and spread around me as much as possible to be answered the way Lars Edman answered to us….
We sacrificed many things too already… as customers… Mithril wants to stay alive and keep working with the same “healthy” way… sacrifices should be made too by Mithril sometimes… I doubt the “we” Lars is using gathers all people at Mithril but Lars Edman alone…
Lars is chairman of Prince August… and as far as I know, Prince August is a Leader in the market of paintbrushes and paints… I doubt that the overall health of Prince August is in jeopardy… I only see here a way for him to justify and be “sorry” to be “forced” to close Mithril sub-company…
I disagree with this politics
May 28, 2009 at 6:01 pm #5421hsf62 wrote:If you have problems and you have to much stock, sell the stock cheaper to keep the money flowing. That would make a lot more sense.
MX Imrahil 150 for sale and still available after all that time! €30.00
Now you get 3 of a M release for the same price of a MX! WowI suspect, too, Master Caster, that the reason they don’t just hack down prices and get the cash flowing is that…we are it. We are the market. We are the core customer base. We are what marketters would call alpha consumers. We are the hardcore collectors who buy pretty much everything they put out (well, eventually). This means that a cost cutting measure may not generate the sort of cash flow they might like.
The answer, obviously, is that Mithril needs to increase its marketting visibility. I keep coming across people who say “mithril? didn’t they go out of business in 1995?” Or think they make unlicensed fakes. Or something. With such visibility, Mithril could probably sell their product for less.
But they need the visibility and that visibility needs to translate to customers buying things.
May 28, 2009 at 6:03 pm #5422Well, Gildor, I put no suggestion and no vote. So I guess the more the better.
I really hope this works. (fingers crossed)
May 28, 2009 at 6:06 pm #5423Hmmm,
2 new newsletters this day and no word about price increase. That’s no good..
May 28, 2009 at 6:24 pm #5424Gildor and Theo, I am glad that you have been in touch with Chris. It is as I suspected that he knew nothing of this. Afterall, he has done much to keep our prices affordable.
It is certainly dissapointing that Mithril is so poor at communicating with their customers, but not surprising given their past blunders especially in regards to marketing. And I do not think they have thousands, or even hundreds, of customers lined up to buy these Rohir figures. To me, this unannounced price hike shows that they don’t really know their customers.
I owe Chris an email and will add my voice to yours later this evening.
I do worry, however, that a boycot might be the end of GF. For me, I will just hold off on suggestions this month and see what Chris can do. I want to give him a chance to bring Lars to his senses.
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