Beregond and the Troll

Master Barliman, you have to take a look at the “collector´s gallery”.

Master Barliman,
I am NOT judging people’s interest by the number of “hits” that’s shown in the collector´s gallery.
Sorry- I am not that simple.
I know about this “mistake” with “1hit” happened till the beginning. Instead of other people I have a look around there regular.

No- posting there is the RESULT.
I am judging people’s interest here- inside MMP and its sub-threads.
As far as I am concerned I am simply very much disappointed.
I once thought being part of this community, people following the same hobby,having the same passion is simply unique.
But it isn´t! Instead I recognize a disrespectful and unpolite behaviour and this appears strange.

Being a member in other forums I never realize this behaviour.

So- I really love mithril, especially the art of Chris Tubb. That´s the reason I won´t retire at all as others did.
And that´s the reason I will post in the collector´s gallery only.

Maybe you will understand my point of view Master Barliman.

….I think it should not be the topic for this forum…. We all want to see your picture, dear friend. It does not matter whether here or in the your part of the gallery….

I propose to go back to [mith]MS574[/mith] topic.
I nearly achieved characters painting. Base is fine. I will work on shields now.

Really a great pleasure to paint this vignette. Almost as good excitement I had painting [mith]MB279[/mith] 19 years ago

JRRT’s description of Minas Tirith’s guards is a bit ambiguous. The ‘narrator’ tells us that only “the Guards of the Citadel before the Court of the Fountain” wore helmets set with white wings, while Beregond tells Pippin that he is a “plain man at arms of the third Company of the Citadel”; but since he also calls himself a “man at arms of the Guard of the Tower”, some have surmised that perhaps “the Guards of the Citadel before the Court of the Fountain” were a separate body distinct from the general Guards of the Tower (or Citadel).

This may be the case – it would certainly help to explain why Pippin’s uniform – ordered for him by Denethor himself, who would surely have known what the Guards should wear – has him issued with a helmet with black raven wings rather than white seabird wings. Perhaps the black wings were worn by the ordinary Guards (not of “the Court of the Fountain”), or perhaps the black wings were an indication of cadet status or something? It’s a shame JRRT never got round to explaining it!

But we know that Beregond was a Guard of the Citadel of some sort, so in the absence of any further evidence we have to assume that he wore a white-winged helmet. Er, or not….

Does that help, or does it just confuse the situation further?

Anyone else got a view on this? I’ve always wondered myself about the mystery of the different-coloured wings….

I doubt there could be yellow, orange, green , blue , brown wings on any Minath Tirith Helmet 😆

But why not. White wings sounds good from what Barliman wrtoe….
but I painted it black…so what shall I do, back to bruches tonight ?

Ah, Master Tree, but you haven’t taken into account that JRRT describes Pippin’s helmet as “a high-crowned helm with small raven-wings on either side” (so you shouldn’t have painted his white!). It’s this discrepancy, between Pippin’s helmet and that of the white-winged helmet of the “Guards of the Citadel before the Court of the Fountain”, that’s created the problem.

It depends on whether it bothers you or not. As you say, it would be more logical if the feathers on Pippin’s helmet were white like we presume (we’re never actually told) that Beregond’s are – but it’s Master Tolkien’s fault if they’re not, so blame him! And of course, it’s always possible that Beregond’s feathers should be black too, if he isn’t himself actually one of the “Guards of the Citadel before the Court of the Fountain”, but only a “Guard of the Tower”.

so the good question is:
who is beregond ? “Guards of the Citadel before the Court of the Fountain”, or “Guard of the Tower”.

Great Milo… all compliments !!!!! I see that the wings have the right color