C. Tubb Mithril auctions and Recast/Pirating

Beautiful small diorama in natural surroundings…. Master Estele… it look like is from the “grandma’s garden”

…… ! each shock brings enlightenment and it is always best way to resume a normal life. It is only important to accept and understand this…. !

Since my initial comment here much more has been said and suggested, and I agree with many of the additional comments. One very valid point that comes out in several of the more recent remarks is that it shouldn’t be thought that any MMP member has deliberately set out to mislead, cheat or profit from The Man’s work.

The same is not true, however, of the eBay pirates, who are an entirely different issue. As we all know, we have one member who has cast various bits on occasion to help out fellow enthusiasts, and it doesn’t seem to me that it would be fair or reasonable to tar him with the same brush as, say, a Dritz – always assuming that Dritz is recasting anyway (does anyone know categorically that he is?) – or anyone who sets out to deceive for cash. No one, as far as I’m aware, has ever thrown up their hands in dismay and said to our caster “Oh no, you can’t do that!” But many of us have doubtless benefitted from his kindness over the past couple of years, including me. When I couldn’t get hold of a couple of extra out-of-production figures – and I emphasise out-of-production – I needed for wargaming purposes, and mentioned it in The Pony, the next thing I knew was them arriving in an envelope on my doorstep – no money was asked for, and there was no intention of stealing Chris’s copyright or depriving anyone of any income. It was simply an act of generosity and kindness.

Not only that, but the couple of figures I got have now been hacked about and converted to stand proudly in the ranks of my army. They no longer look anything like Mithrils and will never find their way back into the market-place. More to the point, perhaps, if I hadn’t got them I’d have had to hack up originals instead – the only effect of which would have been to further reduce their availability for collectors and push the price of any surviving originals Dritzwards.

I guess what I’m saying is that at the end of the day I hope common sense and fairness will prevail and there are no witch-hunts.

We all share in our love of The Man’s work, and Mithrils are genuinely one of the great joys in my life.

I’d like to clarify that I don’t plan to do any witch-hunt myself
we are all gentlement and I am sure everything can be solved up easily. the main problem is, and remains Ebay…

What Holger does or has done is very kind and I would never blame him, but it’s just about being careful

I think there is no need to state that Master Caster will N O T make profits of his re-or-whatever-casts !
For me he is unimpeachable, and I will say no more else to this point.
The name Dritzzz: I can not find it in our user list . . .

I think we all should.

this is wise… very wise…

and as Barliman said we should just all take a rest and have a nice COLD drink (without alcohol to be sure we don’t deviate…) and have a seat altogether…

As I said, solutions do exist… both in communication, in helping one another without risking piracy, and about selling and adressing piracy to true collectors…

the real problem here is Ebay itself… not a given person…

Some among us may remember that when gifts or sales were made by the man in the past, directly from seller to buyer without ebay there was no piracy problem… the piracy problem began with the auctions…

There may be drizzt around there… but there are others rich person who speculate, buy originals at heavy prices to copy… and since we don’t have the names of the buyers anymore… we can’t know…

so let’s all calm down and wait a bit…. I think this advice should apply to ALL members of this forum
(including myself)

OK I think everybody knows at this point that Master H. won´t re-fond his design house at the west coast of south africa with recasting project. Don´t we ?!

No, the piracy began with the price that different miniatures reached and the following greed of potential sellers.
Why should I make a recast if I do not know exactly that I earn a lot of money. The M 16 – one of the most ugliest miniatures from the mithril range ever-
has reached aboud 350 Euros!!! 350 euros!!! A flight plus return to Samos/Greece. (that was in 2006)
Hey, let´ s make a recast and become part of the money-earning-factory . . .

I have never understood why it was possible to buy four sets of the Iron-Hills Dwarves . . .
I feel the need to tell, that I have bought ONE set, why should I bought another one or evan more . . .
So what is the reason for a person to buy more than one set . . .

Everybody knows also, that Master Estel and H. are not the problem! I want to know why these people here inside MMP were used as a warning and not the right individuals.

Yes, better returning to normality. Let´s talk about clean water, about what is found on that ebay-thing and about painting projects of miniatures which are
hopefully no recasts.

Sorry for being upset also . . .

(follows-up my post in the Taproom) I don’t think Estel has done anything wrong. as the taproom and prancing pony are a public place that can be searched directly by google I’d like people to clean the names of people that have done nothing wrong… we can always discuss such matters in other places, in private threads…
For example, the piracy topic could be moved in the Tharbad section, not in the Prancing Pony one…

I will do that, so that only members of MMP can see and post about this… Actually it is important that only “general matters” be posted on the Prancing Pony category.
All sales announcements, offers for trade/sale, polemics such as this piracy problem should remain internal.

Wise “move”, Master Gildor. I also hope that the early slightly bitter tone of the discussion (which was laudably corrected since then) will not lead to any member leaving your fantastic forum.

yes I also hope master Protozeus… but it requires some vigilance in what we say now… that’s why I will make some changes (see chambers of Mandos)