Christmas Riddle 2009
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November 21, 2009 at 3:16 pm #7944
mmmh, I think people haven´t understand this, yet.
For me I can say that I feel very sorrowful about this fact. Isn´t there a possibility to “switch” a bit? Aren´t there riddles in the back of your mind left, Master Thobald?!
LAst year the riddles were such beatiful. The chariot, the icons drawn by master Tolkien himself, . . .
Is it the right decision to “give up” at this point of time?! Maybe somebody can give Master Theobald a helping hand . . . ?!
Somebody you will leave the fine prizes in order to give this years´riddle a chance – myself- for example :rolleyes: . . .November 21, 2009 at 4:59 pm #7950thank you Master rita.de …. rhuoomm … but I’m still puzzled … to be honest … where did Master O’Brian receive that information? … so far it was kept a secret among Master Tubb and me … alas .. but try to remember that Master Michael O’Brian did provide “facts” about the base and singular bases for singular sets of the vignette, that were later, wisely cancelled, before … he also did that in a newsletter and I wondered where his knowledge came from, as then things were not decided at all …
anyway, I don’t take any harm … as he tried his best to promote this release of Bilbo’s trouble about them Dwarves intervening his life, as there is fun, surprise, feasting, music, dining, carrying dishes, trouble, disorder, harmony, tuning instruments, discussion about where to go, contemplation and … “There and back again”November 21, 2009 at 5:19 pm #7951What you need is to quoff some….erm water. Pop over th the Pony and I’ll fill your bowl!
November 21, 2009 at 5:26 pm #7952Ohhh …
November 21, 2009 at 5:59 pm #7953Huoommm … interesting idea that is, Master Barliman … first time you offered me a bowl of that watery-liquid for free … rhuoomm … unbelievable … huom … (that barkeep pretends not knowing that for some quite a while ago I was offered a life-time-free-drinks in this very Pony)
such are barkeeps in Bree … alas …
your offer is granted, Master Barliman, and there’s been no harm taken about your absence .. huoomm …rhuoomm? … at least not by me, tree … rhuoommmhuoommmNovember 27, 2009 at 5:28 pm #8041a-lalla-lalla-rumba-kamanda-lind-or-burúmé
November 27, 2009 at 8:15 pm #8043Absolutely, Master Tree.
November 27, 2009 at 8:21 pm #8044Lord of the Ring BOOK 3 Chapter 4 -Treebeard- from beginning of The Two Towers
….hummm…..sorry, I forgot that it isn´t a riddle …. :rolleyes::lol:
November 27, 2009 at 10:03 pm #8045Huoommm … first of all, you’re right, Master Erchamion, right indeed.
Though you might be wrong considering this not being another part of a riddle I chose to have continued today … as some riddlers asked me to keep on … so, why not.
The answer was quite satisfying as for the source you referred to … but who were them who tried to represent shorter murmurs and calls by the Ents?
Let me quote again:a-lalla-lalla-rumba-kamanda-lind-or-búrumé
November 28, 2009 at 6:17 am #8048Hobbits made some attempts to represent shorter murmurs and calls made by the Ents.Merry and Pippin learned it takes a long time to say “Hill” in Old Entish. Sorry for my spelling Master Theobald my keyboard will not put the accents on the Entish “a-lalla-lalla-rumba-kamanda-lind-or-burume”
November 28, 2009 at 9:47 am #8050Master Regalrick are right indeed.
It could be assumed that Old Entish is sung rather than spoken; each vowel or consonant had many tones, which altered meaning. It is also likely that, to conserve time, more than one Ent talked at a time, observed by the Hobbits during the Entmoot: “The Ents began to murmur slowly, first one joined and then another, until they were all chanting together in a long rising and falling rhythm, now louder on one side of the ring, now dying away there and rising into a great boom on the other side.” [Treebeard]
“A-lalla-lalla-rumba-kamanda-lind-or-burúmë“
This is pure entish – although only a section of the entire word.
Of it Treebeard says:” I do not know what the word is in outside languages, you know, the thing we are on, where I stand and look out on fine mornings, and think about the sun, and the grass beyond the wood, and the horses, and the clouds, and the unfolding of the world.”
This description attaches emotional connotations to the word ‘hill’, and explains (in detail that may get repetitive to the non-Entish speaker) exactly what a hill is.
So finally after all that (though you could hardly expect a description of Old Entish to be hasty now could you?!) we can surmise that the Ents try to honor things through their language, so they use a long, winding description to describe exactly how they felt about the object, and its place in the world.
Which is why when Treebeard learns the Westron name for hill, he is rather displeased, for ‘it is a hasty word for a thing that has stood here since this part of the world was shaped!’.
I’ll leave you with the description Tolkien himself gives of Entish in Appendix F:
“The language that they had made was unlike all others: slow, sonorous, agglomerated, repetitive, indeed long-winded; formed of a multiplicity of vowel-shades and distinctions of tone and quantity which even the lore masters of the Eldar had not attempted to represent in writing. They used it only among themselves; but had no need to keep it secret, for no others could learn it.”
Therefore not surprising to us that you, Master Theobald, constantly ask the Pony large bowl of clean water. Your mouth should dry easily when you talking ….:lol:
November 28, 2009 at 11:45 am #8051huuoommmhomrhuomhooooooooommm … huom … thank you both for trying to understand trees …. rhuooommm … Master Regalrick was right about the “who were they”-question ..hoom..
But also I’m impressed by Master Erchamion’s knowledge about trees … the best definition, or at least what comes closest to something like that, I’ve read on MMP so far … huoommmm … thank you for that hasty description, Master Erchamion …. rhuoommmmhoooooommm …
so what now, … huoommmrhuoomm … should I continue to put some more hastily-thought of riddely-things that some of you want to being placed here though this time I disregarded what you call time – or simply I was a bit hasty in doing that last night … rhuoommm ……
I have to consider this wisely and for that I need your replies …. huoooommmm ….November 29, 2009 at 8:08 am #8083I am only a man in a dark corner . . . so let me be blunt: Yes, another riddle please!!
November 29, 2009 at 8:55 am #8084Thanks for your kind words, Master Tree. Yes, of course, another riddle!!!
November 29, 2009 at 12:48 pm #8090Huoommm … don’t haste, please I just have to try to find some more difficult riddles … rhuoommm … oh, there they are … hoommmm … alas, why did you not mention that some of the answers about the last riddle can be found in the Red Book of Westmarch? … huomm … maybe you never read it … huommm
So, let’s summarize … now it appears to me that
Master Regalrick has 2 and 1/2 points
Master Gildor still keeps his 1 and 1/2 points
Master Erchamion now also has 1 and 1/2 point and
Master Protozeus has 1 point
I hope you can agree with this … hommmm … but … alas … where are those riddles for today, I just had them in my hands some seconds ago … rhuoomm … they might have fled to that upload section around here … I’ll have a look … rhuoommm … hasty riddles they are … huoomNovember 29, 2009 at 2:43 pm #8093So I found them riddles at last. Yes, it’s plural again. So there will be three today and all of them will be provided at the same time. I just want to point out what haste means, as there will not be that 24-hours extended limit. First correct answer to each question will gain some kind of point. But there’s only one answer allowed per member for each of the questions in each riddle. OK?
So, let me tell how that might work. Three riddles, 2 points max. each. The points are:
1st riddle 1st question: 1 point
1st riddle second question: 1 point
2nd riddle 1st question: 1/2 point
2nd riddle 2nd question: 1/2 point
2nd riddle 3rd question: 1 point
3rd riddle 1st question: 1/2 point
3rd riddle 2nd question: 1/2 point
3rd riddle 3rd question: 1 pointYou see, I worked it out somehow. Why is there no 24-hours deadline this time? Well, I just want to give those of you a chance who are permanently present on this MMP, asleep or not asleep, this is not the question.
I have to hurry now uploading all that … rhuoommm … where did I place it? … huoommm?muoh!November 29, 2009 at 2:59 pm #8094There are some trees at this place, as you can see. It’s not Taur-nu-Fuin, I think. But where is it and what is the correct name of that place?
Who drew that nice picture with all those tall, thin trees?[imgz url=http://mmp.faerylands.eu/uploads/9_tumble_hill_near_lyme.jpg]http://mmp.faerylands.eu/uploads/thumbs/9_tumble_hill_near_lyme.jpg[/imgz]
So the second of today’s riddles is a quotation again ….
Laurelindórenan lindelorendor malinonélion ornemalin …
Taurelilómea-tumbalemorna Tumbaletaurea LómeanorWho is talking(1/2) in which language(1/2) and what does it mean (1)?
Now it’s time for the third of the three ….
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Here’s another tree. But what’s his (sic!) name?
And where does the name come from- explain, please.
He also has another name … tell me, please.November 29, 2009 at 3:03 pm #8095I hope you enjoy
November 29, 2009 at 3:53 pm #80981st illustration is a picture made by JRR Tolkien himself, it represents Tumble Hill, near Lyme Regis done in 1928
November 29, 2009 at 3:57 pm #8099the text of the second riddle is in Quenya language used in an entish manner by Treebeard. In short it means : ” The Valley where the trees in a golden light sing musically, a land of music and dreams; there are yellow trees there, it is a tree-yellow land”
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