Christmas Riddle 2009
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December 6, 2009 at 3:17 pm #8247
Well, Master Barliman, though you always forget to point out which riddle you’re referring to (I do not want to criticize your way of spelling here) … I simply guess you answered the third question correctly. It’s the Taur-im-Duinath between Sirion and Gelion, which means the wood between the rivers. So that means another point.
As for giving points for your effort I would have announced that before. None there is for that.December 6, 2009 at 3:25 pm #8248About the picture you provided, master ent it indeed has two names :
“Taur-na-Fuin” OR “Beleg finds Flinding in Taur-Na Fuin” , dating July 1928, in the Book of Ishness.
(Flinding is the original name of Gwindor)December 6, 2009 at 4:08 pm #8249Hmmm … yes, Master Gildor. “Taur-na-Fúin” is correct indeed. But that’s just one of the two names. Your explanations referring to time and origin do not reveil the second name.
So there’s half a point for you, Master Gildor.
Then there’s another 1/2 point to be given for the second name to find out about.
Just to give some help:
Master J.RR. Tolkien painted/drew this picture with pencil, black ink and watercolours. I cut the picture a bit this afternoon before uploading, as it would have provided the second name then.December 6, 2009 at 4:21 pm #8250This picture was also used in a 1974 tolkien calender named as “Fangorn Forest”
December 6, 2009 at 4:39 pm #8252Ah, a good instance of JRRT thinking “outside the box”, and embracing the concept of recycling way ahead of his time!
December 6, 2009 at 4:42 pm #8253I don’t know about that calendar, Master Regalrick … and I really do not know how long you keep calendars or use them … anyway … the picture was called ‘Fangorn Forest’ which became “Taur-na Fúin” later in Tolkien’s concepts about … sorry, I forgot.
Anyway, this half a point, some say pint, it’s yours, Master Regalrick, of course.December 6, 2009 at 5:44 pm #8254Rhuoommm … Master Barliman, at the moment I’m about trying to recycle myself ..
So these riddles have been solved instantly — that’s why I would rather call them hasty-or instant riddles.
Anyway, what’s done is done. So this riddle can be regarded as being solved … rhuoommho
Though I still recall some words, rhymes I heard … dunno exactly … need some help …A spumy torrent, in spate tumbling
from the highest hill of the Hunters’ Wold
clove and crossed it; there of carven stone
with slim and shapely slender archway
a bridge was builded, a bow gleaming
in the froth and flashing foam of Ingwil,
that headlong hurried and hissed beneath.
Where it found the flood, far-journeyed Narog,
there steeply stood the strong shoulders
of the hills, o´verhanging the hurrying water;
there should in trees a sheer terrace,
wide and winding, worn to smoothness,
was fashioned in the face of the falling slope.
Doors there darkly dim gigantic
were hewn in hillside; huge their timbers,
and their post and lintels of ponderous stoneAnyone knows this (for an extra point?).
source —> ?
about what — > ?December 6, 2009 at 6:21 pm #8255(about Taur-Na-Fuin, actually if you go this way master tree , as I thought the other name was “beleg finds flinding in taur-na-fuin”… Tolkien himself titled this picture : Mirkwood (in the Hobbit, slightly changed in black & white) , and on the backpage of the sheet of the picture, Tolkien wrote “Fangorn or Entwood”, to be used with his aknowledgemnt, for the 1974 calendar.
about your last text : this text appears in the Children of Hurin (in the Lays of Beleriand), about Nargothrond being founded by Celegorm and Curufin, children of Feanor, on the shores of Narog stream.
December 6, 2009 at 7:27 pm #8256Huoommm … Tolkien’s picture of the forest I provided here lately is named ‘Fangorn Forest’. I copied part of it (excluding the title which can be seen below the original picture) .
I copied this from: Wayne G. Hammond and Christina Scull , J.R.R.Tolkien – Artist and Illustrator,
published 1995 page 58 – that clearly reads “FANGORN FOREST” – the caption reads:Taur-na Fúin (Fangorn forest)
Pencil, black ink, watercolourI am sorry to have fewer and less sources than you seem to have. But I did not ask about explaining the meaning of ‘taur-na-Fúin’. To me it was Master Regalrick providing the correct name first.
December 6, 2009 at 7:31 pm #82570h, God! Another day I’m late !….
😆
As always, interesting pictures you choose. All is resolved but I would like to explain in images a bit further “developments” of this picture.
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Mirkwood (published first British edition only)
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Mirkwood (American rendering from Tolkien’s illustration)
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Tur-na-fúin (published only in 1974 Tolkien calendar as Fangorn Forest.)
December 6, 2009 at 7:42 pm #8258Alas, couldn’t we riddle without them Elves … rhuoommm … everything they do know and hasty they are too …
Of course my last quotation was from “Lays of Beleriand” … the explanation was very exact, Master Gildor. So that point has to be yours, again.
rhuoommmhuoommm … I should give up them Christmas-riddles whenever an Elf is presentDecember 6, 2009 at 7:44 pm #8259I used the same source master Theobald, you forgot to check the little backpage note n°60 (on page 66 of the book) . This is said on page 55 when it is said this drawing is also named Fangorn Forest for the Calendar.
(I don’t ask for points just clarifyingcongrats for master Regalrick, I don’t contest anything
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December 6, 2009 at 8:30 pm #8261Thank you Master Erchamion for reveiling the ‘history’ of that image.
Having a closer look at the last of the three pictures you provided all can see that below the line that ends the picture there are two words, written in capital letters: FANGORN FOREST.(of course I could give evidence reveiling all of the picture I found – but that might take some time as the copyright then was with TTT (The Tolkien Trust) previously unpublished material by JRR Tolkien .. alas … previously published material by JRR Tolkien used by permission variously of Frank Richard Williamson and Christopher Reuel Tolkien as Executuors of the Estate of J.R.R. Tolkien, The Tolkien Trust, Harper Collins Publishers, George Allan and Unwin (Publishers) Ltd. and Unwin Hyman Ltd.
they even informed that:
For information about permission to reproduce selections from this book, write to Permissions, Houghton Mifflin Company, 215 Park Avenue South, New York, New York 100003.See, it has become difficult, as I just saw that the book was printed in China and was sold by Houghton Mifflin Company Boston + New York.
Ahh, to be honest … I did not write a single letter. I would have wondered where to send it to. To me all this is a bit too complicated. i just wanted to cause some fun.
What did the Spaniard end it’s last entry with ? …
Last edited by Theobald (today 21.27 GMT – 1)December 6, 2009 at 8:44 pm #8262Theobald wrote:What did the Spaniard end it’s last entry with ? …
Last edited by Theobald (today 21.27 GMT – 1)Well, I currently have my book on loan to a friend. I’ll keep you informed in this regard as I know something
By the way, what a mess with copyright ……:rolleyes:
December 6, 2009 at 9:15 pm #8264Nay, Master Gildor.
Let me point out that I know that you referred to the same source about the foresty-question after I was giving a hint.
As for your last answer, please know that I really did not forget to check all (sic!) those backpage notes, as you like to call them. The one you referred to is not on p 66 and but on p 67. Your reference to page 55 is correct.
last riddles next Sunday? .. ok?
(in case I get some licence for using certain names here)December 6, 2009 at 9:43 pm #8265(well actually I quoted my page numbers, since I have the book in french maybe the pages are slightly different hehe, anyway this is a very great book)
December 7, 2009 at 12:39 pm #8272Huooommmmm … indeed it is, Master Gildor … huom … now let me update the score after last weekend (or is it weak Ent?) …. huoommm …
Master Gildor 7 1/2 points
Master Regalrick 5 points
Master Erchamion 3 points
Master Barliman 2 points
Master Protozeus 1 pointI hope this is correct – mind my disability in calculating and counting as them mathematics always have been a slight problem to me tree. So please, correct me here if I am wrong.
December 7, 2009 at 1:14 pm #8273Now, how to proceed? Whatever I try to do seems to end in a mess. I once announced three riddles and the last one being put December 13th. By now some more riddles that I could not hold back appeared in between. For those who ever tried to hold back a riddle know what I mean. The last one was thought of as being some kind of lottery as you might remember. Just to give everybody a chance to gain some pointy-things without some sophisticated knowlege about trees or Mr Tolkien’s works being necessary. But the concept of the last riddle was somehow spoiled (unknowingly, of course) by an Irishman. So by now I’m a bit puzzled about how to proceed.
Then there’s the problem that the prize definitely cannot be passed on in time for Christmas. So let me sum it up, please. Riddles are fleeing, there’s just a handful of riddlers, there will be no prize in time, and the last riddle should be the one deciding everything having the concept of a kind of lottery. Then you five riddlers might ask, “Why did I riddle for, if only the last riddle is the one that counts in the end?” Right. That means answering all this year’s riddles has been in vain. So they were useless. Furtheron there is no prize fixed. So why riddle at all? What have these riddles got to do with Christmas? … or Tolkien? … or Mithril? … or trees?
Alas, you see, riddles cause problems. But I hope you believe me that I did not want to cause problems for you. And not for me either.
But why haste? There’s still time to think about all these matters, isn’t it?
Oh, by the way … all this was not a riddle, at least not for you.December 7, 2009 at 3:11 pm #8274A learned caster from “down under” states there are no problems only solutions.The enjoym-ent and enlightenm-ent are the best prize.Danke Master Theobald.
December 7, 2009 at 3:20 pm #8275I agree ent-irely.
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