Christmas Riddle 2009

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  • #8247
    Theobald
    Participant

      Well, Master Barliman, though you always forget to point out which riddle you’re referring to (I do not want to criticize your way of spelling here) … I simply guess you answered the third question correctly. It’s the Taur-im-Duinath between Sirion and Gelion, which means the wood between the rivers. So that means another point.
      As for giving points for your effort I would have announced that before. None there is for that.

      #8248
      Gildor
      MMP Elder

        About the picture you provided, master ent it indeed has two names :
        “Taur-na-Fuin” OR “Beleg finds Flinding in Taur-Na Fuin” , dating July 1928, in the Book of Ishness.
        (Flinding is the original name of Gwindor)

        #8249
        Theobald
        Participant

          Hmmm … yes, Master Gildor. “Taur-na-Fúin” is correct indeed. But that’s just one of the two names. Your explanations referring to time and origin do not reveil the second name.
          So there’s half a point for you, Master Gildor.
          Then there’s another 1/2 point to be given for the second name to find out about.
          Just to give some help:
          Master J.RR. Tolkien painted/drew this picture with pencil, black ink and watercolours. I cut the picture a bit this afternoon before uploading, as it would have provided the second name then.

          #8250
          regalrick
          Participant

            This picture was also used in a 1974 tolkien calender named as “Fangorn Forest”

            #8252
            Barliman
            Participant

              Ah, a good instance of JRRT thinking “outside the box”, and embracing the concept of recycling way ahead of his time!

              #8253
              Theobald
              Participant

                I don’t know about that calendar, Master Regalrick … and I really do not know how long you keep calendars or use them … anyway … the picture was called ‘Fangorn Forest’ which became “Taur-na Fúin” later in Tolkien’s concepts about … sorry, I forgot.
                Anyway, this half a point, some say pint, it’s yours, Master Regalrick, of course.

                #8254
                Theobald
                Participant

                  Rhuoommm … Master Barliman, at the moment I’m about trying to recycle myself ..
                  So these riddles have been solved instantly — that’s why I would rather call them hasty-or instant riddles.
                  Anyway, what’s done is done. So this riddle can be regarded as being solved … rhuoommho
                  Though I still recall some words, rhymes I heard … dunno exactly … need some help …

                  A spumy torrent, in spate tumbling
                  from the highest hill of the Hunters’ Wold
                  clove and crossed it; there of carven stone
                  with slim and shapely slender archway
                  a bridge was builded, a bow gleaming
                  in the froth and flashing foam of Ingwil,
                  that headlong hurried and hissed beneath.
                  Where it found the flood, far-journeyed Narog,
                  there steeply stood the strong shoulders
                  of the hills, o´verhanging the hurrying water;
                  there should in trees a sheer terrace,
                  wide and winding, worn to smoothness,
                  was fashioned in the face of the falling slope.
                  Doors there darkly dim gigantic
                  were hewn in hillside; huge their timbers,
                  and their post and lintels of ponderous stone

                  Anyone knows this (for an extra point?).
                  source —> ?
                  about what — > ?

                  #8255
                  Gildor
                  MMP Elder

                    (about Taur-Na-Fuin, actually if you go this way master tree , as I thought the other name was “beleg finds flinding in taur-na-fuin”… Tolkien himself titled this picture : Mirkwood (in the Hobbit, slightly changed in black & white) , and on the backpage of the sheet of the picture, Tolkien wrote “Fangorn or Entwood”, to be used with his aknowledgemnt, for the 1974 calendar.

                    about your last text : this text appears in the Children of Hurin (in the Lays of Beleriand), about Nargothrond being founded by Celegorm and Curufin, children of Feanor, on the shores of Narog stream.

                    #8256
                    Theobald
                    Participant

                      Huoommm … Tolkien’s picture of the forest I provided here lately is named ‘Fangorn Forest’. I copied part of it (excluding the title which can be seen below the original picture) .
                      I copied this from: Wayne G. Hammond and Christina Scull , J.R.R.Tolkien – Artist and Illustrator,
                      published 1995 page 58 – that clearly reads “FANGORN FOREST” – the caption reads:

                      Taur-na Fúin (Fangorn forest)
                      Pencil, black ink, watercolour

                      I am sorry to have fewer and less sources than you seem to have. But I did not ask about explaining the meaning of ‘taur-na-Fúin’. To me it was Master Regalrick providing the correct name first.

                      #8257
                      erchamion
                      Participant

                        0h, God! Another day I’m late !…. :/😆

                        As always, interesting pictures you choose. All is resolved but I would like to explain in images a bit further “developments” of this picture.

                        [imgz url=http://mmp.faerylands.eu/uploads/29_1.jpg]http://mmp.faerylands.eu/uploads/thumbs/29_1.jpg[/imgz]

                        Mirkwood (published first British edition only)

                        [imgz url=http://mmp.faerylands.eu/uploads/29_2.jpg]http://mmp.faerylands.eu/uploads/thumbs/29_2.jpg[/imgz]

                        Mirkwood (American rendering from Tolkien’s illustration)

                        [imgz url=http://mmp.faerylands.eu/uploads/29_3.jpg]http://mmp.faerylands.eu/uploads/thumbs/29_3.jpg[/imgz]

                        Tur-na-fúin (published only in 1974 Tolkien calendar as Fangorn Forest.)

                        ;)

                        #8258
                        Theobald
                        Participant

                          Alas, couldn’t we riddle without them Elves … rhuoommm … everything they do know and hasty they are too …
                          Of course my last quotation was from “Lays of Beleriand” … the explanation was very exact, Master Gildor. So that point has to be yours, again.
                          rhuoommmhuoommm … I should give up them Christmas-riddles whenever an Elf is present

                          #8259
                          Gildor
                          MMP Elder

                            I used the same source master Theobald, you forgot to check the little backpage note n°60 (on page 66 of the book) . This is said on page 55 when it is said this drawing is also named Fangorn Forest for the Calendar.
                            (I don’t ask for points just clarifying :) congrats for master Regalrick, I don’t contest anything :) )

                            #8261
                            Theobald
                            Participant

                              Thank you Master Erchamion for reveiling the ‘history’ of that image.
                              Having a closer look at the last of the three pictures you provided all can see that below the line that ends the picture there are two words, written in capital letters: FANGORN FOREST.

                              (of course I could give evidence reveiling all of the picture I found – but that might take some time as the copyright then was with TTT (The Tolkien Trust) previously unpublished material by JRR Tolkien .. alas … previously published material by JRR Tolkien used by permission variously of Frank Richard Williamson and Christopher Reuel Tolkien as Executuors of the Estate of J.R.R. Tolkien, The Tolkien Trust, Harper Collins Publishers, George Allan and Unwin (Publishers) Ltd. and Unwin Hyman Ltd.
                              they even informed that:
                              For information about permission to reproduce selections from this book, write to Permissions, Houghton Mifflin Company, 215 Park Avenue South, New York, New York 100003.

                              See, it has become difficult, as I just saw that the book was printed in China and was sold by Houghton Mifflin Company Boston + New York.
                              Ahh, to be honest … I did not write a single letter. I would have wondered where to send it to. To me all this is a bit too complicated. i just wanted to cause some fun.
                              What did the Spaniard end it’s last entry with ? …
                              Last edited by Theobald (today 21.27 GMT – 1)

                              #8262
                              erchamion
                              Participant
                                Theobald wrote:
                                What did the Spaniard end it’s last entry with ? …
                                Last edited by Theobald (today 21.27 GMT – 1)

                                Well, I currently have my book on loan to a friend. I’ll keep you informed in this regard as I know something ;)

                                By the way, what a mess with copyright ……:rolleyes:

                                #8264
                                Theobald
                                Participant

                                  Nay, Master Gildor.
                                  Let me point out that I know that you referred to the same source about the foresty-question after I was giving a hint.
                                  As for your last answer, please know that I really did not forget to check all (sic!) those backpage notes, as you like to call them. The one you referred to is not on p 66 and but on p 67. Your reference to page 55 is correct.
                                  last riddles next Sunday? .. ok?
                                  (in case I get some licence for using certain names here) ;);)

                                  #8265
                                  Gildor
                                  MMP Elder

                                    (well actually I quoted my page numbers, since I have the book in french maybe the pages are slightly different hehe, anyway this is a very great book)

                                    #8272
                                    Theobald
                                    Participant

                                      Huooommmmm … indeed it is, Master Gildor … huom … now let me update the score after last weekend (or is it weak Ent?) …. huoommm …

                                      Master Gildor 7 1/2 points
                                      Master Regalrick 5 points
                                      Master Erchamion 3 points
                                      Master Barliman 2 points
                                      Master Protozeus 1 point

                                      I hope this is correct – mind my disability in calculating and counting as them mathematics always have been a slight problem to me tree. So please, correct me here if I am wrong.

                                      #8273
                                      Theobald
                                      Participant

                                        Now, how to proceed? Whatever I try to do seems to end in a mess. I once announced three riddles and the last one being put December 13th. By now some more riddles that I could not hold back appeared in between. For those who ever tried to hold back a riddle know what I mean. The last one was thought of as being some kind of lottery as you might remember. Just to give everybody a chance to gain some pointy-things without some sophisticated knowlege about trees or Mr Tolkien’s works being necessary. But the concept of the last riddle was somehow spoiled (unknowingly, of course) by an Irishman. So by now I’m a bit puzzled about how to proceed.
                                        Then there’s the problem that the prize definitely cannot be passed on in time for Christmas. So let me sum it up, please. Riddles are fleeing, there’s just a handful of riddlers, there will be no prize in time, and the last riddle should be the one deciding everything having the concept of a kind of lottery. Then you five riddlers might ask, “Why did I riddle for, if only the last riddle is the one that counts in the end?” Right. That means answering all this year’s riddles has been in vain. So they were useless. Furtheron there is no prize fixed. So why riddle at all? What have these riddles got to do with Christmas? … or Tolkien? … or Mithril? … or trees?
                                        Alas, you see, riddles cause problems. But I hope you believe me that I did not want to cause problems for you. And not for me either.
                                        But why haste? There’s still time to think about all these matters, isn’t it?
                                        Oh, by the way … all this was not a riddle, at least not for you.

                                        #8274
                                        regalrick
                                        Participant

                                          A learned caster from “down under” states there are no problems only solutions.The enjoym-ent and enlightenm-ent are the best prize.Danke Master Theobald.

                                          #8275
                                          Barliman
                                          Participant

                                            I agree ent-irely.

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