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MMP Mithril in Middle-Earth The Marketplace of Tharbad If you desperatly need one reference…

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  • #482
    Milo
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      Hi,
      M. Drizt is sellling a fantastic collection. Here are the references :

      Mithril M1 GALADRIEL
      Mithril M2 ELROND LE DEMI ELFE
      Mithril M5 GUERRIER ROHIRRIM
      Mithril M6 CAPITAINE DU GONDOR
      Mithril M7 GUERRIER DU GONDOR
      Mithril M8 CHEF DUNLENDING
      Mithril M9 GUERRIER DUNLENDING
      Mithril M10 PRETRESSE DUNLENDING
      Mithril M11 MAGICIEN SINDARIN
      Mithril M12 GUERRIER SINDARIN
      Mithril M14 CAPITAINE ARTHEDAIN
      Mithril M15 ECLAIREUR DU NORD
      Mithril M17 GUERRIER DE SAGATH
      Mithril M18 ANIMISTE DE SAGATH
      Mithril M19 GUERRIER NAIN
      Mithril M20 CHEF ORC HITHAEGLIR
      Mithril M21 GUERRIER ORC HITHAEGLIR
      Mithril M24 ROI SPECTRE DES GALGALS
      Mithril M27 THEODEN
      Mithril M32 PRINCESSE NIRNADEL
      Mithril M33 DIRHAVEL L ALCHIMISTE
      Mithril M35 GARDES DE THARBAD
      Mithril M38 CONTREBANDIER
      Mithril M39 NOBLE DE CARDOLAN
      Mithril M41 NIMHIR LE REGENT
      Mithril M43 GUERRIER EASTERLING
      Mithril M44 LANCIER EASTERLING
      Mithril M47 LANCIER ORC
      Mithril M48 TROLL AVEC MORNING STAR
      Mithril M49 TROLL AVEC HACHOIR
      Mithril M50 ORC AVEC CIMETERRE
      Mithril M52 GANDALF LE MAGICIEN
      Mithril M55 PROSPER POIREDEBEURRE
      Mithril M61 GUERRIERS HOBBITS
      Mithril M66 GALION L’ECHANSON
      Mithril M67 CAPITAINE D’ARADHRYNDT
      Mithril M68 GARDE ROYAL ELFE
      Mithril M69 ELFE SYLVAIN PROPHETE
      Mithril M71 GUERRIER ELFE
      Mithril M72 TRAQUEUR ELFE
      Mithril M74 GARDE
      Mithril M79 GARDE DE JUNAST
      Mithril M80 LESINAS
      Mithril M82 MAITRE DE TAMA
      Mithril M88 GUERRIER BEORNIDE
      Mithril M91 ANCIEN
      Mithril M92 ANIMISTE
      Mithril M95 SAVIGA MAITRESSE DU ROI
      Mithril M96 AKARGIN LE SORCIER
      Mithril M 100 ESCLAVES HUMAINS
      Mithril M 101 SERFS ORCS
      Mithril M 102 BRALG LE FOU
      Mithril M 107 LACHGLIN L’ALCHIMISTE
      Mithril M 108 OMBRE SILENCIEUSE
      Mithril M 109 LOUP GAROU
      Mithril M 118 BILL FOUGERON ET DEMI ORC
      Mithril M 119 SERVEUR ET CHIEN
      Mithril M 120 JOUEUR DE LUTH
      Mithril M 126 LEGOLAS
      Mithril M 128 BOROMIR
      Mithril M 143 ELROND ET VILYA
      Mithril M 145 BOUCHE DE SAURON
      Mithril M 146 NAZGUL A CHEVAL
      Mithril M 151 DEUX ORCS DU MORDOR
      Mithril M 154 DEUX FANTASSINS HARADRIMS
      Mithril M 161 DIS JEUNE FILLE NAINE
      Mithril M 165 ERIBHEN ET RUIL
      Mithril M 171 CHAMAN DUNLENDING
      Mithril M 179 DEMI ORCS DE SAROUMANE
      Mithril M 189 ENTING
      Mithril M 192 CHEF DES BANDITS
      Mithril M 193 BANDITS
      Mithril M 194 FEMME BANDIT
      Mithril M 195 INTENDANT DU GONDOR
      Mithril M 196 PIPPIN ET BERGIL
      Mithril M 199 GARDES ROYAUX DU GONDOR
      Mithril M 200 FARAMIR A OSGILIATH
      Mithril M 202 IORETH LA GUERISSEUSE
      Mithril M 213 LANCIER ELFE DE LA LORIEN
      Mithril M 216 MORWEN ET NIENOR
      Mithril M 219 MIM ET IBUN
      Mithril M 229 THORIN
      Mithril M 243 BRANDIR
      Mithril M 245 NINIEL
      Mithril M 246 CAPITAINE ORC D ANGBAND
      Mithril M 271 ELENDIL LE GRAND
      Mithril M 275 OROPHER ROI DES ELFES
      Mithril M 277 ECLAIREUR DUNLENDING
      Mithril M 289 GANDALF JETANT UN SORT
      Mithril M 290 MERRY ET PIPPIN
      Mithril M 291 PIQUIER DU GONDOR
      Mithril M 305 HOMME DU NORD
      Mithril M 307 GEANT DE PIERRE
      Mithril M 312 TAMBOUR ORC DU MORDOR
      Mithril M 321 BAIE D OR
      Mithril M 323 FEMMES HOBBITS
      Mithril M 339 ELROHIR
      Mithril M 341 BILBO ET LE LIVRE
      Mithril MW346 NAIN DES COLLINES DE FER 4
      Mithril MW346 NAIN DES COLLINES DE FER 5
      Mithril MW346 NAIN DES COLLINES DE FER 6
      Mithril MW346 NAIN DES COLLINES DE FER 7
      Mithril MW347 C5B DEMI ORC D’ISENGARD
      Mithril MW347 C5D DEMI ORC D’ISENGARD
      Mithril MW347 C6B DEMI ORC D’ISENGARD
      Mithril MW347 C8B DEMI ORC D’ISENGARD
      Mithril MW347 C8D DEMI ORC D’ISENGARD
      Mithril M 349 NAZGUL DANS LA COMTE
      Mithril M 350 GANDALF ET LES ENFANTS
      Mithril M 367 PORTE ETENDARD DES MONTS DE FER

      This is here:
      http://jouets-figurine.shop.ebay.fr/Jeux-de-role-de-figurines-/233/i.html?_trkparms=65%253A12%257C66%253A2%257C39%253A1%257C72%253A1229&_nkw=mithril&_dmpt=FR_YO_Jeux_JeuxSociete_JeuxRoles&_ipg=200&_ssn=driztdourden&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

      #9885
      Milo
      Participant

        Hi,
        M. Drizt is sellling a fantastic collection. Here are the references :

        Mithril M1 GALADRIEL
        Mithril M2 ELROND LE DEMI ELFE
        Mithril M5 GUERRIER ROHIRRIM
        Mithril M6 CAPITAINE DU GONDOR
        Mithril M7 GUERRIER DU GONDOR
        Mithril M8 CHEF DUNLENDING
        Mithril M9 GUERRIER DUNLENDING
        Mithril M10 PRETRESSE DUNLENDING
        Mithril M11 MAGICIEN SINDARIN
        Mithril M12 GUERRIER SINDARIN
        Mithril M14 CAPITAINE ARTHEDAIN
        Mithril M15 ECLAIREUR DU NORD
        Mithril M17 GUERRIER DE SAGATH
        Mithril M18 ANIMISTE DE SAGATH
        Mithril M19 GUERRIER NAIN
        Mithril M20 CHEF ORC HITHAEGLIR
        Mithril M21 GUERRIER ORC HITHAEGLIR
        Mithril M24 ROI SPECTRE DES GALGALS
        Mithril M27 THEODEN
        Mithril M32 PRINCESSE NIRNADEL
        Mithril M33 DIRHAVEL L ALCHIMISTE
        Mithril M35 GARDES DE THARBAD
        Mithril M38 CONTREBANDIER
        Mithril M39 NOBLE DE CARDOLAN
        Mithril M41 NIMHIR LE REGENT
        Mithril M43 GUERRIER EASTERLING
        Mithril M44 LANCIER EASTERLING
        Mithril M47 LANCIER ORC
        Mithril M48 TROLL AVEC MORNING STAR
        Mithril M49 TROLL AVEC HACHOIR
        Mithril M50 ORC AVEC CIMETERRE
        Mithril M52 GANDALF LE MAGICIEN
        Mithril M55 PROSPER POIREDEBEURRE
        Mithril M61 GUERRIERS HOBBITS
        Mithril M66 GALION L’ECHANSON
        Mithril M67 CAPITAINE D’ARADHRYNDT
        Mithril M68 GARDE ROYAL ELFE
        Mithril M69 ELFE SYLVAIN PROPHETE
        Mithril M71 GUERRIER ELFE
        Mithril M72 TRAQUEUR ELFE
        Mithril M74 GARDE
        Mithril M79 GARDE DE JUNAST
        Mithril M80 LESINAS
        Mithril M82 MAITRE DE TAMA
        Mithril M88 GUERRIER BEORNIDE
        Mithril M91 ANCIEN
        Mithril M92 ANIMISTE
        Mithril M95 SAVIGA MAITRESSE DU ROI
        Mithril M96 AKARGIN LE SORCIER
        Mithril M 100 ESCLAVES HUMAINS
        Mithril M 101 SERFS ORCS
        Mithril M 102 BRALG LE FOU
        Mithril M 107 LACHGLIN L’ALCHIMISTE
        Mithril M 108 OMBRE SILENCIEUSE
        Mithril M 109 LOUP GAROU
        Mithril M 118 BILL FOUGERON ET DEMI ORC
        Mithril M 119 SERVEUR ET CHIEN
        Mithril M 120 JOUEUR DE LUTH
        Mithril M 126 LEGOLAS
        Mithril M 128 BOROMIR
        Mithril M 143 ELROND ET VILYA
        Mithril M 145 BOUCHE DE SAURON
        Mithril M 146 NAZGUL A CHEVAL
        Mithril M 151 DEUX ORCS DU MORDOR
        Mithril M 154 DEUX FANTASSINS HARADRIMS
        Mithril M 161 DIS JEUNE FILLE NAINE
        Mithril M 165 ERIBHEN ET RUIL
        Mithril M 171 CHAMAN DUNLENDING
        Mithril M 179 DEMI ORCS DE SAROUMANE
        Mithril M 189 ENTING
        Mithril M 192 CHEF DES BANDITS
        Mithril M 193 BANDITS
        Mithril M 194 FEMME BANDIT
        Mithril M 195 INTENDANT DU GONDOR
        Mithril M 196 PIPPIN ET BERGIL
        Mithril M 199 GARDES ROYAUX DU GONDOR
        Mithril M 200 FARAMIR A OSGILIATH
        Mithril M 202 IORETH LA GUERISSEUSE
        Mithril M 213 LANCIER ELFE DE LA LORIEN
        Mithril M 216 MORWEN ET NIENOR
        Mithril M 219 MIM ET IBUN
        Mithril M 229 THORIN
        Mithril M 243 BRANDIR
        Mithril M 245 NINIEL
        Mithril M 246 CAPITAINE ORC D ANGBAND
        Mithril M 271 ELENDIL LE GRAND
        Mithril M 275 OROPHER ROI DES ELFES
        Mithril M 277 ECLAIREUR DUNLENDING
        Mithril M 289 GANDALF JETANT UN SORT
        Mithril M 290 MERRY ET PIPPIN
        Mithril M 291 PIQUIER DU GONDOR
        Mithril M 305 HOMME DU NORD
        Mithril M 307 GEANT DE PIERRE
        Mithril M 312 TAMBOUR ORC DU MORDOR
        Mithril M 321 BAIE D OR
        Mithril M 323 FEMMES HOBBITS
        Mithril M 339 ELROHIR
        Mithril M 341 BILBO ET LE LIVRE
        Mithril MW346 NAIN DES COLLINES DE FER 4
        Mithril MW346 NAIN DES COLLINES DE FER 5
        Mithril MW346 NAIN DES COLLINES DE FER 6
        Mithril MW346 NAIN DES COLLINES DE FER 7
        Mithril MW347 C5B DEMI ORC D’ISENGARD
        Mithril MW347 C5D DEMI ORC D’ISENGARD
        Mithril MW347 C6B DEMI ORC D’ISENGARD
        Mithril MW347 C8B DEMI ORC D’ISENGARD
        Mithril MW347 C8D DEMI ORC D’ISENGARD
        Mithril M 349 NAZGUL DANS LA COMTE
        Mithril M 350 GANDALF ET LES ENFANTS
        Mithril M 367 PORTE ETENDARD DES MONTS DE FER

        This is here:
        http://jouets-figurine.shop.ebay.fr/Jeux-de-role-de-figurines-/233/i.html?_trkparms=65%253A12%257C66%253A2%257C39%253A1%257C72%253A1229&_nkw=mithril&_dmpt=FR_YO_Jeux_JeuxSociete_JeuxRoles&_ipg=200&_ssn=driztdourden&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

        #9886
        Turambar
        Participant

          So many miniatures, also rare-ones! WOW !!!
          This could be a nice point to inform all of you about the followowing fact:
          Some weeks agoI have ordered by the above mentioned “seller” ONE miniature . . . The number of that figure was “below 100” .
          So, I know nearly all miniatures from 001-099 and I know, that these figures have got a special “heaviness”, a certain weight.
          By the way, one of the reasons I admire these little treasures . . .
          Well, this figure defenetly has got a mysterious lightweight. Strange that is !!!! Further: Mithril NEVER put undercoat UNDER the base.
          These are manufactural reasons, as everybody knows. So, I want to tell you: be careful ! And make your mind up this “seller”

          #9889
          Milo
          Participant

            Well,
            I bought several references to M. D (15 in 1 bet), and I have to say this:
            I requested by mail pictures of the real miniatures (as he shows pictures from his own collection).
            The man provided me pictures, I checked and chose to buy the set.
            Everything I received was exactly as on the picture.

            Still, about Christoph remark. It is true that 2 minis looked strange (M1 & M2…).
            Since, I bought again those 2 minis in mint condition and I can say that, apart from undercoat which seems to be half removed (chemical process I guess), weight is the same.
            My conclusion and advice is therefore:
            Do not hesitate to request real pictures before buying. The man is very expensive but serious (no too fast also).

            #9891
            Turambar
            Participant

              Well, he is slow! But the matter Master Estel pointed out shows, there was NEVER be a PM 1 primed. So this could be a self-primed-edition.
              I have primed my edition with a greyish undercoat as well, for photographic reasons. So it mustn´t be a . . . ( I don´t say the word . . )
              In my case, Master Milo, somebody could have stripped off the original undercoat, he or somebody else could have taken a self-undercoat again.
              But this is improbable. Anyway, the main point is the WEIGHT.
              There is NO mithril miniature EVER with this light weight. (instead of the LR-range!)

              #9892
              hsf62
              Participant

                That is right Christoph, there is no mini cast by Mithril in the light alloy.
                If you have the possobility to get the exact weight and what mini it is, we can cross check with other minis , what weight they have.

                #9893
                Turambar
                Participant

                  OK, I will do this, certainly!

                  #9894
                  hsf62
                  Participant

                    A letter scale is close enough. If a figur weighs 2grams less then a other one, then there is something not original on the lighter one.:P

                    #9945
                    Turambar
                    Participant

                      OK, Master Caster, I have weighed a M 39 in comparison to the figure I received from that man in france. This is the M 66.
                      So the M 39 has a weight of 20 gramms and the M 66 has got 14 gramms.
                      This is what I can tell you . . .

                      #9946
                      hsf62
                      Participant

                        LOL, Christoph, that’s not what I meant.
                        You have to compare the same Figure. I do not have a M66, but I’m sure our Master Ent has this nice piece including a letter scale to put it on top and to find out if his one has got the same weight.
                        Could you please (with cherry on top) do this for us Master Ent?
                        Anyone else who has got a M66 and a Letter scale is welcome to put his on the scale aswell.
                        But anyhow, I have recasted a fig in light ally and compared to the original it lost 5 grams….

                        #9948
                        presto247365
                        Participant

                          I have a kitchen scale that is accurate to within 1 gram. I’ll take some time this weekend to weigh a few key figures for reference purposes. It might be interesting to include this data in the figure references to help buyers verify that their purchases are genuine. I’d be willing to compile and average out any weight submissions and supply that data for the community.

                          #9949
                          hsf62
                          Participant

                            Thanks Master Presto, thats a good idea! :)

                            #9960
                            Kenakko
                            Participant

                              Yes, gentlemen the weight is the key to finding recasts. Our Irish friend Dan Joe told me this himself some years ago. The problem is that one has to have an orignal for reference (paint and primer are neglible additions, but all parts should be present). To my knowledge, all of the pre-100 figures have that heavier weight due to the higher lead content. Publishing the weights is a different matter as I think consumers paying big bucks need to have an out if they unknowingly buy a recast. But then again, it would be hard to match the wieghts exactly anyway, right Holger? Interesting stuff about Mr D, though….

                              #9963
                              presto247365
                              Participant

                                Well, to the best of my knowledge, I have originals of most of the M series figs. That’s where averaging multiple weights comes into play. Toss out any outlying data points and average the rest to obtain a reasonable standard by which to measure each figure. Really it becomes a tool to ferret out anyone who is attempting to pass on re-cast figures as originals. It would be a level of protection for collectors trying to fill in those last few rare references. Granted, a skillled artisan with the proper alloy could still pass muster.

                                #9964
                                Kenakko
                                Participant

                                  True, but this is also where the accuracy comes in. Perhaps better than that provided by a postal scale. I once weighed a couple of valuable figures, one recast, one original and the weight difference was more than 1 gram! I figured this was due to the lead content variation. There were otherwise identical down to a matching shade of primer, suitably ‘worn’. I must say that I could ‘feel’ the difference in weight that a nice scale proved to be there (I was in a chemistry class at the time and did a little extra homework). Also, though it is difficult to believe, they sounded different when rubbed or tapped!! That pewter ring thing. I would assume all the early figures to have been cast from the same batches ingots at the same time with very little individual differences present for each copy. I think a data with this information could serve the buyer the best and there aren’t many (if any) recasters out there who would try to fool collecters…but then again, people do sometimes disappoint!

                                  #9965
                                  Gildor
                                  MMP Elder

                                    as I think all my mithril are genuine (well I bought, quite some years ago, figurines from this drizztdourden) but most were still in blisters I could not tell exactly which ones I bought from him… and all seemed fine and engraved and genuinly engraved.

                                    I don’t have letter scale or any “precise” balance that could help give the weight. but if some willing persons here can provide me weight data, I’ll be more than happy to adapt the current database to add this information. but it has to be the RIGHT weight, we can’t allow to publish false data on such matters. Maybe I should ask what he thinks to mister Tubb he might be able to help. he once told me he keeps at least ONE of each of his “tolkien” creation for his personal collection. so all of his own would be genuine BUT I really don’t think he would have time to weight al his collection.

                                    #9968
                                    hsf62
                                    Participant

                                      As I said I can’t help with the weight of the M66, but I can provide a weight for quite a few of the under 100.
                                      I also have to correct my statement that there is no mini cast by Mithril in the light alloy. We actually do have the MX436 which is not cast with the standard high lead contend Mithril uses normally. So he is cast in a lighter alloy and I’m 100% sure the one I have is not a recast, because I got him direct from Mithril.

                                      #9970
                                      Gildor
                                      MMP Elder

                                        well there are different “levels” of metal quality from Mithril “standard metal” “model metal” and “5 star metal”
                                        5star metal is lead free if I remember correctly and is the most expansive.
                                        standard metal is more than 62% of lead, and model metal is the one usually sold by Mithril for casting sets…(54% lead)

                                        thus I assume “5star metal” is the lightest of them… and “standard metal” the heaviest…

                                        Now in what alloy do mithril cast their figurine currently?

                                        Indeed there is also the possibility mithril is casting their own “genuine” miniatures in a fourth metal they do not sale at all (and do not describe).. actually, in order to prevent piracy… providing we have the correct weight value but all the correct weights are provided on the mithril web site… (for the references they sell…)

                                        #9972
                                        hsf62
                                        Participant

                                          If I look at the horses and the wulf with cut of casting channels, falling over during time because the legs can’t bear the weight, I guess they where cast with the 62% lead…

                                          #9976
                                          Kenakko
                                          Participant

                                            Drooping horses! I would concur. Yes, Mithril do now post the weights for mailing costs, but it’s been a while since they’ve mailed any M16’s. Perhaps a data refernce on the figures less than 100 is what is needed.

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