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  • #482
    Milo
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    Hi,
    M. Drizt is sellling a fantastic collection. Here are the references :

    Mithril M1 GALADRIEL
    Mithril M2 ELROND LE DEMI ELFE
    Mithril M5 GUERRIER ROHIRRIM
    Mithril M6 CAPITAINE DU GONDOR
    Mithril M7 GUERRIER DU GONDOR
    Mithril M8 CHEF DUNLENDING
    Mithril M9 GUERRIER DUNLENDING
    Mithril M10 PRETRESSE DUNLENDING
    Mithril M11 MAGICIEN SINDARIN
    Mithril M12 GUERRIER SINDARIN
    Mithril M14 CAPITAINE ARTHEDAIN
    Mithril M15 ECLAIREUR DU NORD
    Mithril M17 GUERRIER DE SAGATH
    Mithril M18 ANIMISTE DE SAGATH
    Mithril M19 GUERRIER NAIN
    Mithril M20 CHEF ORC HITHAEGLIR
    Mithril M21 GUERRIER ORC HITHAEGLIR
    Mithril M24 ROI SPECTRE DES GALGALS
    Mithril M27 THEODEN
    Mithril M32 PRINCESSE NIRNADEL
    Mithril M33 DIRHAVEL L ALCHIMISTE
    Mithril M35 GARDES DE THARBAD
    Mithril M38 CONTREBANDIER
    Mithril M39 NOBLE DE CARDOLAN
    Mithril M41 NIMHIR LE REGENT
    Mithril M43 GUERRIER EASTERLING
    Mithril M44 LANCIER EASTERLING
    Mithril M47 LANCIER ORC
    Mithril M48 TROLL AVEC MORNING STAR
    Mithril M49 TROLL AVEC HACHOIR
    Mithril M50 ORC AVEC CIMETERRE
    Mithril M52 GANDALF LE MAGICIEN
    Mithril M55 PROSPER POIREDEBEURRE
    Mithril M61 GUERRIERS HOBBITS
    Mithril M66 GALION L’ECHANSON
    Mithril M67 CAPITAINE D’ARADHRYNDT
    Mithril M68 GARDE ROYAL ELFE
    Mithril M69 ELFE SYLVAIN PROPHETE
    Mithril M71 GUERRIER ELFE
    Mithril M72 TRAQUEUR ELFE
    Mithril M74 GARDE
    Mithril M79 GARDE DE JUNAST
    Mithril M80 LESINAS
    Mithril M82 MAITRE DE TAMA
    Mithril M88 GUERRIER BEORNIDE
    Mithril M91 ANCIEN
    Mithril M92 ANIMISTE
    Mithril M95 SAVIGA MAITRESSE DU ROI
    Mithril M96 AKARGIN LE SORCIER
    Mithril M 100 ESCLAVES HUMAINS
    Mithril M 101 SERFS ORCS
    Mithril M 102 BRALG LE FOU
    Mithril M 107 LACHGLIN L’ALCHIMISTE
    Mithril M 108 OMBRE SILENCIEUSE
    Mithril M 109 LOUP GAROU
    Mithril M 118 BILL FOUGERON ET DEMI ORC
    Mithril M 119 SERVEUR ET CHIEN
    Mithril M 120 JOUEUR DE LUTH
    Mithril M 126 LEGOLAS
    Mithril M 128 BOROMIR
    Mithril M 143 ELROND ET VILYA
    Mithril M 145 BOUCHE DE SAURON
    Mithril M 146 NAZGUL A CHEVAL
    Mithril M 151 DEUX ORCS DU MORDOR
    Mithril M 154 DEUX FANTASSINS HARADRIMS
    Mithril M 161 DIS JEUNE FILLE NAINE
    Mithril M 165 ERIBHEN ET RUIL
    Mithril M 171 CHAMAN DUNLENDING
    Mithril M 179 DEMI ORCS DE SAROUMANE
    Mithril M 189 ENTING
    Mithril M 192 CHEF DES BANDITS
    Mithril M 193 BANDITS
    Mithril M 194 FEMME BANDIT
    Mithril M 195 INTENDANT DU GONDOR
    Mithril M 196 PIPPIN ET BERGIL
    Mithril M 199 GARDES ROYAUX DU GONDOR
    Mithril M 200 FARAMIR A OSGILIATH
    Mithril M 202 IORETH LA GUERISSEUSE
    Mithril M 213 LANCIER ELFE DE LA LORIEN
    Mithril M 216 MORWEN ET NIENOR
    Mithril M 219 MIM ET IBUN
    Mithril M 229 THORIN
    Mithril M 243 BRANDIR
    Mithril M 245 NINIEL
    Mithril M 246 CAPITAINE ORC D ANGBAND
    Mithril M 271 ELENDIL LE GRAND
    Mithril M 275 OROPHER ROI DES ELFES
    Mithril M 277 ECLAIREUR DUNLENDING
    Mithril M 289 GANDALF JETANT UN SORT
    Mithril M 290 MERRY ET PIPPIN
    Mithril M 291 PIQUIER DU GONDOR
    Mithril M 305 HOMME DU NORD
    Mithril M 307 GEANT DE PIERRE
    Mithril M 312 TAMBOUR ORC DU MORDOR
    Mithril M 321 BAIE D OR
    Mithril M 323 FEMMES HOBBITS
    Mithril M 339 ELROHIR
    Mithril M 341 BILBO ET LE LIVRE
    Mithril MW346 NAIN DES COLLINES DE FER 4
    Mithril MW346 NAIN DES COLLINES DE FER 5
    Mithril MW346 NAIN DES COLLINES DE FER 6
    Mithril MW346 NAIN DES COLLINES DE FER 7
    Mithril MW347 C5B DEMI ORC D’ISENGARD
    Mithril MW347 C5D DEMI ORC D’ISENGARD
    Mithril MW347 C6B DEMI ORC D’ISENGARD
    Mithril MW347 C8B DEMI ORC D’ISENGARD
    Mithril MW347 C8D DEMI ORC D’ISENGARD
    Mithril M 349 NAZGUL DANS LA COMTE
    Mithril M 350 GANDALF ET LES ENFANTS
    Mithril M 367 PORTE ETENDARD DES MONTS DE FER

    This is here:
    http://jouets-figurine.shop.ebay.fr/Jeux-de-role-de-figurines-/233/i.html?_trkparms=65%253A12%257C66%253A2%257C39%253A1%257C72%253A1229&_nkw=mithril&_dmpt=FR_YO_Jeux_JeuxSociete_JeuxRoles&_ipg=200&_ssn=driztdourden&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

    #9885
    Milo
    Participant

    Hi,
    M. Drizt is sellling a fantastic collection. Here are the references :

    Mithril M1 GALADRIEL
    Mithril M2 ELROND LE DEMI ELFE
    Mithril M5 GUERRIER ROHIRRIM
    Mithril M6 CAPITAINE DU GONDOR
    Mithril M7 GUERRIER DU GONDOR
    Mithril M8 CHEF DUNLENDING
    Mithril M9 GUERRIER DUNLENDING
    Mithril M10 PRETRESSE DUNLENDING
    Mithril M11 MAGICIEN SINDARIN
    Mithril M12 GUERRIER SINDARIN
    Mithril M14 CAPITAINE ARTHEDAIN
    Mithril M15 ECLAIREUR DU NORD
    Mithril M17 GUERRIER DE SAGATH
    Mithril M18 ANIMISTE DE SAGATH
    Mithril M19 GUERRIER NAIN
    Mithril M20 CHEF ORC HITHAEGLIR
    Mithril M21 GUERRIER ORC HITHAEGLIR
    Mithril M24 ROI SPECTRE DES GALGALS
    Mithril M27 THEODEN
    Mithril M32 PRINCESSE NIRNADEL
    Mithril M33 DIRHAVEL L ALCHIMISTE
    Mithril M35 GARDES DE THARBAD
    Mithril M38 CONTREBANDIER
    Mithril M39 NOBLE DE CARDOLAN
    Mithril M41 NIMHIR LE REGENT
    Mithril M43 GUERRIER EASTERLING
    Mithril M44 LANCIER EASTERLING
    Mithril M47 LANCIER ORC
    Mithril M48 TROLL AVEC MORNING STAR
    Mithril M49 TROLL AVEC HACHOIR
    Mithril M50 ORC AVEC CIMETERRE
    Mithril M52 GANDALF LE MAGICIEN
    Mithril M55 PROSPER POIREDEBEURRE
    Mithril M61 GUERRIERS HOBBITS
    Mithril M66 GALION L’ECHANSON
    Mithril M67 CAPITAINE D’ARADHRYNDT
    Mithril M68 GARDE ROYAL ELFE
    Mithril M69 ELFE SYLVAIN PROPHETE
    Mithril M71 GUERRIER ELFE
    Mithril M72 TRAQUEUR ELFE
    Mithril M74 GARDE
    Mithril M79 GARDE DE JUNAST
    Mithril M80 LESINAS
    Mithril M82 MAITRE DE TAMA
    Mithril M88 GUERRIER BEORNIDE
    Mithril M91 ANCIEN
    Mithril M92 ANIMISTE
    Mithril M95 SAVIGA MAITRESSE DU ROI
    Mithril M96 AKARGIN LE SORCIER
    Mithril M 100 ESCLAVES HUMAINS
    Mithril M 101 SERFS ORCS
    Mithril M 102 BRALG LE FOU
    Mithril M 107 LACHGLIN L’ALCHIMISTE
    Mithril M 108 OMBRE SILENCIEUSE
    Mithril M 109 LOUP GAROU
    Mithril M 118 BILL FOUGERON ET DEMI ORC
    Mithril M 119 SERVEUR ET CHIEN
    Mithril M 120 JOUEUR DE LUTH
    Mithril M 126 LEGOLAS
    Mithril M 128 BOROMIR
    Mithril M 143 ELROND ET VILYA
    Mithril M 145 BOUCHE DE SAURON
    Mithril M 146 NAZGUL A CHEVAL
    Mithril M 151 DEUX ORCS DU MORDOR
    Mithril M 154 DEUX FANTASSINS HARADRIMS
    Mithril M 161 DIS JEUNE FILLE NAINE
    Mithril M 165 ERIBHEN ET RUIL
    Mithril M 171 CHAMAN DUNLENDING
    Mithril M 179 DEMI ORCS DE SAROUMANE
    Mithril M 189 ENTING
    Mithril M 192 CHEF DES BANDITS
    Mithril M 193 BANDITS
    Mithril M 194 FEMME BANDIT
    Mithril M 195 INTENDANT DU GONDOR
    Mithril M 196 PIPPIN ET BERGIL
    Mithril M 199 GARDES ROYAUX DU GONDOR
    Mithril M 200 FARAMIR A OSGILIATH
    Mithril M 202 IORETH LA GUERISSEUSE
    Mithril M 213 LANCIER ELFE DE LA LORIEN
    Mithril M 216 MORWEN ET NIENOR
    Mithril M 219 MIM ET IBUN
    Mithril M 229 THORIN
    Mithril M 243 BRANDIR
    Mithril M 245 NINIEL
    Mithril M 246 CAPITAINE ORC D ANGBAND
    Mithril M 271 ELENDIL LE GRAND
    Mithril M 275 OROPHER ROI DES ELFES
    Mithril M 277 ECLAIREUR DUNLENDING
    Mithril M 289 GANDALF JETANT UN SORT
    Mithril M 290 MERRY ET PIPPIN
    Mithril M 291 PIQUIER DU GONDOR
    Mithril M 305 HOMME DU NORD
    Mithril M 307 GEANT DE PIERRE
    Mithril M 312 TAMBOUR ORC DU MORDOR
    Mithril M 321 BAIE D OR
    Mithril M 323 FEMMES HOBBITS
    Mithril M 339 ELROHIR
    Mithril M 341 BILBO ET LE LIVRE
    Mithril MW346 NAIN DES COLLINES DE FER 4
    Mithril MW346 NAIN DES COLLINES DE FER 5
    Mithril MW346 NAIN DES COLLINES DE FER 6
    Mithril MW346 NAIN DES COLLINES DE FER 7
    Mithril MW347 C5B DEMI ORC D’ISENGARD
    Mithril MW347 C5D DEMI ORC D’ISENGARD
    Mithril MW347 C6B DEMI ORC D’ISENGARD
    Mithril MW347 C8B DEMI ORC D’ISENGARD
    Mithril MW347 C8D DEMI ORC D’ISENGARD
    Mithril M 349 NAZGUL DANS LA COMTE
    Mithril M 350 GANDALF ET LES ENFANTS
    Mithril M 367 PORTE ETENDARD DES MONTS DE FER

    This is here:
    http://jouets-figurine.shop.ebay.fr/Jeux-de-role-de-figurines-/233/i.html?_trkparms=65%253A12%257C66%253A2%257C39%253A1%257C72%253A1229&_nkw=mithril&_dmpt=FR_YO_Jeux_JeuxSociete_JeuxRoles&_ipg=200&_ssn=driztdourden&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

    #9886
    Turambar
    Participant

    So many miniatures, also rare-ones! WOW !!!
    This could be a nice point to inform all of you about the followowing fact:
    Some weeks agoI have ordered by the above mentioned “seller” ONE miniature . . . The number of that figure was “below 100” .
    So, I know nearly all miniatures from 001-099 and I know, that these figures have got a special “heaviness”, a certain weight.
    By the way, one of the reasons I admire these little treasures . . .
    Well, this figure defenetly has got a mysterious lightweight. Strange that is !!!! Further: Mithril NEVER put undercoat UNDER the base.
    These are manufactural reasons, as everybody knows. So, I want to tell you: be careful ! And make your mind up this “seller”

    #9889
    Milo
    Participant

    Well,
    I bought several references to M. D (15 in 1 bet), and I have to say this:
    I requested by mail pictures of the real miniatures (as he shows pictures from his own collection).
    The man provided me pictures, I checked and chose to buy the set.
    Everything I received was exactly as on the picture.

    Still, about Christoph remark. It is true that 2 minis looked strange (M1 & M2…).
    Since, I bought again those 2 minis in mint condition and I can say that, apart from undercoat which seems to be half removed (chemical process I guess), weight is the same.
    My conclusion and advice is therefore:
    Do not hesitate to request real pictures before buying. The man is very expensive but serious (no too fast also).

    #9891
    Turambar
    Participant

    Well, he is slow! But the matter Master Estel pointed out shows, there was NEVER be a PM 1 primed. So this could be a self-primed-edition.
    I have primed my edition with a greyish undercoat as well, for photographic reasons. So it mustn´t be a . . . ( I don´t say the word . . )
    In my case, Master Milo, somebody could have stripped off the original undercoat, he or somebody else could have taken a self-undercoat again.
    But this is improbable. Anyway, the main point is the WEIGHT.
    There is NO mithril miniature EVER with this light weight. (instead of the LR-range!)

    #9892
    hsf62
    Participant

    That is right Christoph, there is no mini cast by Mithril in the light alloy.
    If you have the possobility to get the exact weight and what mini it is, we can cross check with other minis , what weight they have.

    #9893
    Turambar
    Participant

    OK, I will do this, certainly!

    #9894
    hsf62
    Participant

    A letter scale is close enough. If a figur weighs 2grams less then a other one, then there is something not original on the lighter one.:P

    #9945
    Turambar
    Participant

    OK, Master Caster, I have weighed a M 39 in comparison to the figure I received from that man in france. This is the M 66.
    So the M 39 has a weight of 20 gramms and the M 66 has got 14 gramms.
    This is what I can tell you . . .

    #9946
    hsf62
    Participant

    LOL, Christoph, that’s not what I meant.
    You have to compare the same Figure. I do not have a M66, but I’m sure our Master Ent has this nice piece including a letter scale to put it on top and to find out if his one has got the same weight.
    Could you please (with cherry on top) do this for us Master Ent?
    Anyone else who has got a M66 and a Letter scale is welcome to put his on the scale aswell.
    But anyhow, I have recasted a fig in light ally and compared to the original it lost 5 grams….

    #9948
    presto247365
    Participant

    I have a kitchen scale that is accurate to within 1 gram. I’ll take some time this weekend to weigh a few key figures for reference purposes. It might be interesting to include this data in the figure references to help buyers verify that their purchases are genuine. I’d be willing to compile and average out any weight submissions and supply that data for the community.

    #9949
    hsf62
    Participant

    Thanks Master Presto, thats a good idea! :)

    #9960
    Kenakko
    Participant

    Yes, gentlemen the weight is the key to finding recasts. Our Irish friend Dan Joe told me this himself some years ago. The problem is that one has to have an orignal for reference (paint and primer are neglible additions, but all parts should be present). To my knowledge, all of the pre-100 figures have that heavier weight due to the higher lead content. Publishing the weights is a different matter as I think consumers paying big bucks need to have an out if they unknowingly buy a recast. But then again, it would be hard to match the wieghts exactly anyway, right Holger? Interesting stuff about Mr D, though….

    #9963
    presto247365
    Participant

    Well, to the best of my knowledge, I have originals of most of the M series figs. That’s where averaging multiple weights comes into play. Toss out any outlying data points and average the rest to obtain a reasonable standard by which to measure each figure. Really it becomes a tool to ferret out anyone who is attempting to pass on re-cast figures as originals. It would be a level of protection for collectors trying to fill in those last few rare references. Granted, a skillled artisan with the proper alloy could still pass muster.

    #9964
    Kenakko
    Participant

    True, but this is also where the accuracy comes in. Perhaps better than that provided by a postal scale. I once weighed a couple of valuable figures, one recast, one original and the weight difference was more than 1 gram! I figured this was due to the lead content variation. There were otherwise identical down to a matching shade of primer, suitably ‘worn’. I must say that I could ‘feel’ the difference in weight that a nice scale proved to be there (I was in a chemistry class at the time and did a little extra homework). Also, though it is difficult to believe, they sounded different when rubbed or tapped!! That pewter ring thing. I would assume all the early figures to have been cast from the same batches ingots at the same time with very little individual differences present for each copy. I think a data with this information could serve the buyer the best and there aren’t many (if any) recasters out there who would try to fool collecters…but then again, people do sometimes disappoint!

    #9965
    Gildor
    MMP Elder

    as I think all my mithril are genuine (well I bought, quite some years ago, figurines from this drizztdourden) but most were still in blisters I could not tell exactly which ones I bought from him… and all seemed fine and engraved and genuinly engraved.

    I don’t have letter scale or any “precise” balance that could help give the weight. but if some willing persons here can provide me weight data, I’ll be more than happy to adapt the current database to add this information. but it has to be the RIGHT weight, we can’t allow to publish false data on such matters. Maybe I should ask what he thinks to mister Tubb he might be able to help. he once told me he keeps at least ONE of each of his “tolkien” creation for his personal collection. so all of his own would be genuine BUT I really don’t think he would have time to weight al his collection.

    #9968
    hsf62
    Participant

    As I said I can’t help with the weight of the M66, but I can provide a weight for quite a few of the under 100.
    I also have to correct my statement that there is no mini cast by Mithril in the light alloy. We actually do have the MX436 which is not cast with the standard high lead contend Mithril uses normally. So he is cast in a lighter alloy and I’m 100% sure the one I have is not a recast, because I got him direct from Mithril.

    #9970
    Gildor
    MMP Elder

    well there are different “levels” of metal quality from Mithril “standard metal” “model metal” and “5 star metal”
    5star metal is lead free if I remember correctly and is the most expansive.
    standard metal is more than 62% of lead, and model metal is the one usually sold by Mithril for casting sets…(54% lead)

    thus I assume “5star metal” is the lightest of them… and “standard metal” the heaviest…

    Now in what alloy do mithril cast their figurine currently?

    Indeed there is also the possibility mithril is casting their own “genuine” miniatures in a fourth metal they do not sale at all (and do not describe).. actually, in order to prevent piracy… providing we have the correct weight value but all the correct weights are provided on the mithril web site… (for the references they sell…)

    #9972
    hsf62
    Participant

    If I look at the horses and the wulf with cut of casting channels, falling over during time because the legs can’t bear the weight, I guess they where cast with the 62% lead…

    #9976
    Kenakko
    Participant

    Drooping horses! I would concur. Yes, Mithril do now post the weights for mailing costs, but it’s been a while since they’ve mailed any M16’s. Perhaps a data refernce on the figures less than 100 is what is needed.

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