MMP vigette project
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Thingol wrote:hsf62 wrote:Another question…. How many of you here can mould/cast figures?
I do not know to do this….
I don’t know to do this, just painting.
Christoph, I do think you are right if you mean producing 21 complete Pony’s. (figures,furniture, building and painting the lot)
I do think 2 are possible to get done if need be. I do understand where Christophe is coming from re gift for Chris, even if I don’t agree with it. But thats only me. Seeing most of the members voted in the poll for the gift. Well, fair enough, I don’t have to swim with the stream…
In my eyes Master Gildor has earned something like a “Pony”. Chris is earning money with what he’s doing, Gildor”s work is for free to all of us and he’s paying for this website.
Thank you Christophe, very much appreciated!:cool:Good folk of the Pony, this project appears to be in danger of becoming bogged down which would be a great shame as it is a great idea and tribute piece to not only The Man, but to all members of the forum participating.
There are too many posts spread over the three threads with about 180 replies, responses etc. for me to read through them all [again] so I will throw in some thoughts as if I were new to the idea.
The question of recasting/not recasting:
I think that this has to be addressed as the main concern, once a definitive answer from Chris Tubb is received then the next question can be addressed – a single ‘gift/presentation’ or a souvenir for all.
I think that from looking at some of the posts that mention Chris Tubb’s thoughts on the matter he is against recasting in any way, shape or form.
If Chris Tubb says a definite NO then the option to make a single ‘gift’ is likely to be the only option as I can’t imagine a project like this not eventually becoming known to him, and personally I think the loss of Chris’ goodwill and trust towards us far outweighs any benefit of the project if converted figures were to be cast without his permission.
If however he is fine with the idea of making limited castings for the project* then we need to go firm on the practicalities of production. If we are given Chris Tubb’s blessing for making limited copies of the converted figures Holger’s input here is very important as he has the knowledge and experience of casting etc. It is one thing to make an elaborate conversion, quite another to make a viable mould and casting I am sure.
*Perhaps some form of understanding could be reached, i.e. moulds would be destroyed etc.
We seem to have two trains of thought (Chris Tubb’s blessing aside):
• Single presentation piece for Chris Tubb (possible also Gildor).
• Multi production so that every participant gets one.I would suggest as a possible alternative for the project,
• A single presentation of the complete Pony diorama to be made and presented to Chris Tubb (and Gildor) as an appreciation from all of us with a copy of each converted figure made for all participants who can then do as they wish with the figures – display as part of a scene, or paint as individual figures.
This takes into account some members understandably not being comfortable with the converting side of things, and my agreement with Holger and Master Turambar that to even attempt to recreate a tavern for each of us will doom the project.
For those who don’t convert I’m sure that someone could do it on their behalf and send the converted figure for casting.
If this idea were to be taken up then perhaps another suggestion would be to have one person make the diorama setting (Christoph :rolleyes:? – the architectural planning drawings in themselves would be worth putting in a picture frame), others by all means contribute the furniture, but have the final assembly (i.e. figures added) done in the UK. This would hopefully minimise the chance for damage in the good old postal system
. I’m not sure if Barli lives anywhere to where Chris Tubb lives (I am in London), but I’m sure some form of safe delivery method could be arranged.(in light of posts made since I started writing this post this morning perhaps a slight ‘tweak’ may be in order as, and I agree, some would like to see Gildor receive a copy).
Apologies if some of the points have been covered in depth previously – it can get repetative too-ing and fro-ing between posts, I am just trying to state it clearly in my own mind
.… only short comment on David’s opinion…. I understood from the beginning that we would make only one diorama. Not 23 or any other number of copies. And that somebody will make figures, somebody else base, somebody else photos, somebody else painting job (few of us) etc….. In the meantime somebody came with the rumor that everyone gets a copy. For me this is too complicated and totally unnecessary. I will make my own Prancing POny diorama with mithril figures and I will put there me as a Sam (( hobbit with mug ) – but not hobbit like Master’s casters happy guy
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I think that we should make two gifts maximum one to Chris and to Gildor (as Holger said…. )
I will be happy to have many photos in very high resolution and….
this is all from me…I agree with Thingol : from the beginning we said we would make only one diorama for Chris, maybe we could make another one to Gildor (For me it would be even more just to offer it to Gildor than to Chris…..).
But, even if it can seem very nice that we have all a Prancing Pony replica to us, it seems to me impracticable, too complicate, too expensive and far too ambitious.
We could have beautiful and big very clear photos for each of us, and if somebody wants to make its own replica: free to him.@Thingol : yes this was the original idea and was more humanly reasonable too , but the poll showed that people wanted to have their own copies… I have nothing against that but this becomes quite huge…. and costly (in terms of work, time, logistics, and money)
I know I launched the idea and even if now people want to give me a gift well I’m embarassed but as it seems people feel I deserve it if it can be used as a “leit motiv”… I won’t refuse it
So… despite the poll, maybe we should reconsider and only make a set or two of the final project? and a good compromise maybe could be to have every participant receive his own recasted copy of his “self” to be used in any way he wants?
I would offer the project as this :
– every member participate in the way he manages to get his original copy that will be used to represent himself in the diorama (or originals if several are needed)
this can be achieved via trades between us all or via mithril sales directly or ebay if need be (if these are rares… but I would opt for the less rare the better since these will be converted anyway)-once everybody has his figurine, we debate altogether and make a plan, and schema on how all those figurines will interact between each other, as this will be important for the conversion process.
-everybody, skillful enough, can attempt or ask for help to convert his own figurine in the final process using the figurines they bought. Once the conversion is ok, they could be sent to those among us who, like Holger, are skilled in the art of mould making. if it is easier to have a single big mould for several figurines, maybe it’s better to focus on a single person.
– then the figurines are cast by whoever has the moulds.
– Solution 1 : those recasted figurines are sent to their respective owner to do whatever pleases them with it
– Solution 2 : the entire set is sent to the designated person who will elaborate on the diorama scene (for the gifts) . that becomes quite hard because the diorama has not to be finalised but only the concept of it, as it is destined to be sent to people unassembled I suppose?these are only ideas indeed, and I think Holger and David could add lots of comments or change things… I am neither expert in moulding/casting nor diorama building
mmhh what was plan A already?
if such consideration as to who he set should be is a problem, I’ll gladly accept the set myself if that is so and Chris will maybe get a second one after the first one is achieved…the purpose is to get the project launched
I have to ponder how to present the things to Chris this week and it is not so easy… but that should not suspend our brainstorming on this.
hsf62 wrote:And for whom will this set be? CT. Not Happy!OK master Caster, Then I can make the diorama for Gildor, and he’ll have to visit me to take it.
mmhh that’s an idea too
but before reaching this point we have to validate which figurine we will all use and fix this… we now have the full list of participant , that’s a good stard, now we need all the figurines…. and THEN
before doing anything, we have to draw sketches of the ofverall interaction, with the minimum furniture (whatever furniture may be chosen)I mean, we have to consider at some place there may be chairs or tables, then people are free to use whatever table they want, but the plan of the diorama would consider it… also, some conversion may be sat figurines which will indeed include the chair in them…
For the main diorama, I suggest we find [mith]M122[/mith] furnitures, for Barrels, [mith]M134[/mith] provides magnificent ones…and the raft can be used to make shelters, or a big table for instance
it’s a little start
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