MW336 Orcs of Mordor

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  • #743
    erchamion
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    I continue ordening my figures and I just get a surprise (same for any of you is not so).
    Checking my group of orcs MW336 box and comparing the information to the Database, I have two DIFFERENT A5D. I thought, my memory and eyesight are failing me lately, I had 20 differents varieties of the box, but I was wrong. I have no A5A (anyone can show a picture of it, please?) And yet, I have two A5D different: one is the Orc running with spear up and another one with the spear below. At the base of the figure the two are named as A5D (one of them also has an “s” and “2”). The orcs are identical, but the position of the spear is different.

    I’ve been looking for a post in the forum talking about it but I can not find it…. :rolleyes::/

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    #26644
    erchamion
    Participant

    I continue ordening my figures and I just get a surprise (same for any of you is not so).
    Checking my group of orcs MW336 box and comparing the information to the Database, I have two DIFFERENT A5D. I thought, my memory and eyesight are failing me lately, I had 20 differents varieties of the box, but I was wrong. I have no A5A (anyone can show a picture of it, please?) And yet, I have two A5D different: one is the Orc running with spear up and another one with the spear below. At the base of the figure the two are named as A5D (one of them also has an “s” and “2”). The orcs are identical, but the position of the spear is different.

    I’ve been looking for a post in the forum talking about it but I can not find it…. :rolleyes::/

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    #26646
    Turambar
    Participant

    Happy New Year, Master erchamion, maybe I can help.
    This is a picture of the A 5 A.
    As far as I am informed, this variant of yours is THE variant. So you can be lucky to have this one!

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    And Happy New Year to everybody!!!

    #26648
    erchamion
    Participant

    Definitely I have no that A5A …… :/:(

    Thanks for the photo, Master Turambar! :)

    But you say that my other A5D is a rarity then? ….. This 2013 begins with surprises…..:rolleyes:

    #26649
    Gildor
    MMP Elder

    well the “official” A5D is the one with the spear above his head, which almost looks like the A5A provided by Turambar (according to Zoetrop manual…) and the one with the spear along his body is a variant

    BUT

    I also have TWO A5D from the genuine original MW336 box, and it is the one with the spear along his body… so it seems that unlike what the picture of the catalogue shows, this one would be the original one…
    and
    I checked them with mine from Time Machines and THOSE are the one with spear above the head (Orc4 from Time Machine =A5D from mithril except for this variation…) I have some of those…

    so it seems the variant you have (the one with spear over the head) is the “Orc4” from time machine which is a genuine variant from the moulds Jim Corless had. and it seems that though Time Machine provided those, Mithril did not in their genuine set.
    this makes the “orc4” quite rare isn’t it?

    #26650
    Theobald
    Participant

    Well, Master Erchamion, let me try to help as far as I can. Once again someone is surprised about the coincidental arrangement of the MW336 Orc-boxes. Differently to the “Gondorian-Army-Boxes” (which always have the same figures added) the boxes of the “Orc-army” sets were filled rather more purely by chance. So the releases of those two army-sets cannot be compared.
    At a first glance, every “Orc-army-set” seems to be the same, as there always are included the “command group” and the hornist and the drummer, of course. The rest of the figures are not always the same in each set. – Buying “20 different varieties of the box”, as you put it, Master Erchamion, does not necessarily mean that in one of them the rarest figure of that set is included, which is the second version of the spearman. You will find the A5D in each set. But the A5D “s” (the one with the raised spear) is a rarity of Mithril figures. – So you better keep it. – It took me some years once to find that figure in an original set (in an original “Mithril plastic box”. I also bought some boxes then, but somehow I was lucky, as I was only looking for that spearman with the raised arm. – You can easily find out the difference between the two figures, when you try to assemble the right arm. And here you are right, it’s not the figure itself, it’s just the pose of the right arm which is different and very rare.
    So that A5D with the “s” added in a circle to the subreference must be an original one from 1994. I’m sure about this, because I have both figures right here to compare. (By the way, my A5D “s” also is marked with the number “1” on the left below the base.) – As I said, I simply and surprisingly found it in one of those boxes I bought.
    Alas, just for those reading this and suspecting me of having bought that figure from “Time Machine” in those good old days when Jim offered recasts of the “Orc” and “Gondor” armies (having the license from Mithril and Chris to do so) I would like to point out, that I did not buy it as a single figure, because it was a very rare part of one of those many sets.
    (Another paragraph)
    We know, that “Timemachine” does not produce nor offer those two sets any more, after Jim decided to sell the company. By now it seems to be a very long time ago when he announced to sell the last figures of those armies, which means they’re definitely out of production for some years by now.
    So, Master Erchamion, that A5D “s” is a rarity indeed.
    Sorry about having been that much talkative, but I felt obliged to answer a question as well as I could, and of course, I could also prove what I said by providing pictures, if you want.

    #26651
    Turambar
    Participant
    erchamion wrote:
    Definitely I have no that A5A …… :/:(

    Thanks for the photo, Master Turambar! :)

    . . . :

    So- Master erchamion, I think it is about time to refresh our postal contact!

    This A 5 A being shown on the photography is waiting for you ! 😎

    #26652
    Theobald
    Participant

    Alas, Master Turambar, the A5A is a “swordsman” (if you can call that a sword) and which is not rare. I’m afraid you mixed up swordsmen with spearmen.
    As for those spearmen of that common sets, there definitely are just 2 versions. These are A5B and A5D. Of the A5D there are two castings, only being different in the pose of the right arm, as I said before.

    Master Gildor, I think you unfortunately came across the mistake Master Zoetrop made in his catalogue. On page 88 he put a picture of the rare orc (raised arm) also listed as A5D (throwing spear). Above that pic you find the description “orc running with spear, bare head” [reading: no picture available] which is the one that should be put there, as it is the “orc, running with spear, bare head”, which is the figure you will find find in all of the sets. Master Zoetrop marked the two pictures wrong, saying “no picture available” for the A5B variant and not providing a pic of the regular release.
    What I want to say is, that I feel a bit guilty, as it might also have been my mistake as well. Master Zoetrop always sent me the concepts of his catalogues before releasing. So it was me who had to see that slight mistake. – Mea culpa.

    Though all this was a first fine riddle for 2013, Master Erchamion.

    #26653
    Gildor
    MMP Elder

    if you don’t minde gentlemen I’d like to move this discussion to the Mathom House as I really think it has its place there :)

    #26654
    erchamion
    Participant

    Ohh, thanks friends for your words! I’m really surprised. (Mithril keeps surprising indeed, right?) ;)

    Master Turambar: thank you very much for the offer! Yeah, maybe it’s time to clean snow the communications between Spain and Germany …… :D

    Master Theobald, in his words really understand that then there are 21 varieties, two of which are named A5D but with the spear in a different position, one marked with “s” and one without …. You told me that theirs has a “1” at lower left; on the other hand, mine has a “2” as you can see by the photo …. Another riddle??

    By the way, what I can tell you is that I bought my Nw336 box in a shop in my town in the 90s. Direct production was Mithril Miniatures. I never bought anything from Time Machine ……..

    #26656
    Theobald
    Participant

    Well, yes, of course as it might be the right place, Master Gildor. I just wanted to help a bit, that’s why I answered here in this new thread. But mind, please, that among these few entries a gift is promised to be given to Master Erchamion.
    And to be honest, I never took the time to take pics of all of that Orc-army and provide them.

    #26657
    Theobald
    Participant

    Well, I also bought my sets from Mithril and was much surprised about some different figures being included. And, to be honest again, to me that set of orcs is the best being produced ever in such a number. Each of all the figures are a marvel in details.
    Though still in all those recent years I didn’t manage to paint all of them oppropriately.
    No riddle, Master Erchamion, not at all. All original castings have a number at the left bottom of the base. But for me it simply was a pleasure to paint the Mithril-figures before Master Jackson covered our minds with his perception of Tolkien’s writings and still does (and he does it well). Not to mention that other company, of course. – So I will keep on trying to paint all those orcs accordingly to my imagination within the next 4 years.

    #26659
    erchamion
    Participant

    It thus seems clear everything. The set is made up of 30 figures of 21 “possible” varieties, two of which are named in the same way (A5D) but differ in the position of the spear.

    Thank you very much to all for your clarification …… ;)

    And Master Tree, I agree with you, these orcs are wonderful. Many varieties (and increasingly as shown) and very dynamic postures. Pretty much good that its “monotonous” brothers Gondorian…

    #26662
    Theobald
    Participant

    Well, I just tried to sort that out again. – the odd MW336-Gondor army consists of 29 figures that have been casted, though the Mw337 orc-army always consisted of 30 figures. I imagine that that the 30th figure of the former Mw336 was never released in that set. I suppose that the Master-figure of B1 is at my desk (thats’s the one with just slightly differs from the “mounted captain” with the horse’s left forearm stretched, also a figure marked with an “s” in a circle and having an additional nr 1 added at the bottom line, left to the trademark-sign of Mithril 94.
    Well, as for the Mw337 orc army I dare to say that I still keep all of the variants by now for abot some years.

    #26663
    Gildor
    MMP Elder

    (ahem it’s [mith]mw336[/mith] the orcs and mw337 Gondor master ent :)

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