MW346 D8a question

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November 29, 2012 at 9:28 am #733
Mornedhel
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Hi

Just my two cents on MW346 warband.

The figure MW346 – Orc officer is annotated D8a but on the one I own, the number is C7.

Lost Minis Wiki ref:
http://www.miniatures-workshop.com/lostminiswiki/index.php?title=Image:Mithril-Mcu-MW346-D8a.jpg

[imgz url=http://mmp.faerylands.eu/uploads/485_mw.jpg]http://mmp.faerylands.eu/uploads/thumbs/485_mw.jpg[/imgz]

Mornedhel
November 29, 2012 at 9:28 am #25966
Mornedhel
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Hi

Just my two cents on MW346 warband.

The figure MW346 – Orc officer is annotated D8a but on the one I own, the number is C7.

Lost Minis Wiki ref:
http://www.miniatures-workshop.com/lostminiswiki/index.php?title=Image:Mithril-Mcu-MW346-D8a.jpg

[imgz url=http://mmp.faerylands.eu/uploads/485_mw.jpg]http://mmp.faerylands.eu/uploads/thumbs/485_mw.jpg[/imgz]

Mornedhel
November 29, 2012 at 10:07 am #25967
Milo
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There might be a mistake in MMP description and also on wiki gallery, or you have a variant…

I will check what is engraved under my miniature’s base this evening.
November 29, 2012 at 12:55 pm #25969
Theobald
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That’s strange indeed, Mornedhel. I think Milo referred to the figures I have and here the sub-reference of the officer reads “C. Tubb 95” after the copyright sign. I think all the other subreferences of those army figures read “mithril 94”. In your second pic the subreference reads “C7” or “CZ” instead of “D8A”. I cannot explain this. – Though the figure itself clearly is the officer of the command group. I bought that command set directly from Chris Tubb. – Sorry, but that’s all I can tell.
November 29, 2012 at 1:07 pm #25970
Milo
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Could it be you have the master figure ?
November 29, 2012 at 2:37 pm #25972
Mornedhel
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I just know it’s not a fake as I sent it with others to Chris 2 years ago for “Evaluation” when we discussed about copies of Dwar.
November 29, 2012 at 3:30 pm #25973
Theobald
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I am sure it’s not a fake, Mornedhel. But I am also sure that my figure is not a fake either, as I pointed out before. – So still I cannot explain the difference in the sub-references. The only clue might be the date. All figures of that army read “mithril 94” after the copyright sign. Only this captain I have, and received from Chris directly, reads “C. Tubb 95”. See, that was a year later. But I don’t know why. – Today I learned about this difference for the first time and also was a bit surprised. Let’s wait what Milo finds out tonight. – If you, or anybody else, is interested, I could ask Chris if he can remember and explain.
November 29, 2012 at 3:41 pm #25974
Theobald
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Sorry, it’s me again. – I just took some time to have a closer look at that army and my listings of the sub-references. Something is strange for me: all figures start with a capital C at the beginning … except this D8A, which also has a different signature and date of release. That typical old, somehow “grey-greenish” spray is the same with all figures.
November 29, 2012 at 4:27 pm #25975
Milo
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Maybe it’s the one Master Ent owns that is a variant.
C7 referencing makes sense also compared to other minis from this warband.
November 29, 2012 at 4:37 pm #25977
Theobald
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Well, it can’t be a variant, as the figure itself seems to be exactly the same as far as I can judge from the picture above. I agree, Master Milo, that only that C-reference would make sense in that range. – So, I’ll try to find out more.
November 29, 2012 at 4:41 pm #25978
Gildor
MMP Elder
damnit I have TOTALLY omitted this reference in the gallery actually I will check my own version at home.

it would be logical that it is C7 because … there are C6 subrefs, C8 subrefs … and no C7…

and the whole Half-orc range is referenced “C” (as third warband) (gondor army and orcs of mordor are A and and Iron Hill dwarves did not reach the “release stage” level which should have made them engraved with a “D”…
November 29, 2012 at 5:16 pm #25981
Theobald
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Right, Master Gildor, you’re absolutely right about the logic of those subreferences. I just contacted The Man about this minor matter. In case he somewhen has the time to deal with this matter we’ll know more. We’ll have to wait until then. Though it would be interesting to know about the subreference of the figure you own.
… and don’t haste, as far as I know the new gallery is still under construction
November 29, 2012 at 5:20 pm #25982
Milo
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Variant is the wrong word I agree Theobald.

My assumption:
Orc officers were casted using 2 different moulds.
A mistake was done on 1 mould, maybe just because these being prototypes (maybe again wrong configuration Control Management ?)
I remember there was confusion between MW346&MW347 in CT’s auctions. That may explain why some are marked with C and others with D ?

As you say, wait and let’s check tonight….
November 29, 2012 at 5:46 pm #25986
regalrick
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I purchased my half-orc officer from Chris and it is marked C7 mithril 94
November 29, 2012 at 5:53 pm #25987
Thingol
Participant
My is C7 and I bought it personally from Chris…. so for this on I’m 100% sure that this is original, !?!? and I have another one… where is written D8A from the ebay auction and I made from him conversion because of I’m not so sure that this is original… so the story goes on… as a road…

Proof… is here….

C7
[imgz url=http://mmp.faerylands.eu/uploads/547_mwc7.jpg]http://mmp.faerylands.eu/uploads/thumbs/547_mwc7.jpg[/imgz]

D8A
[imgz url=http://mmp.faerylands.eu/uploads/547_mwd8a.jpg]http://mmp.faerylands.eu/uploads/thumbs/547_mwd8a.jpg[/imgz]
November 29, 2012 at 6:29 pm #25989
Theobald
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Ha, sometimes communication is fast. – Dear Master Thingol, you cut an original D8A (but don’t worry as you have another original C7).
Well I just received an answer from Chris. To cut it short, he says that he cannot explain the discrepency concerning the subreferences of those identical figures. He honestly does not remember well enough. He suggests that once the Warbands projects had been abandoned there have been plans to release some of the figures in some other set and for that reason they might have been renumbered. He once again confirmed that an Angrenost guardsman, despite all efforts, he has never found again, either the master.
So as a conclusion there is to be said that the officer-figures of the Half-orc command are identical, whether C7 or D8A.
To me that’s all there is about this matter. I hope I could help a bit.
Just for another matter, I saw that it’s worth to be patient waiting for the long-planned Phaeton-Design vignette, just be sure. He explained what caused the delay, but you know, I forgot about it. Master Gildor in between informed in another thread here that there will be no further Phaeton-Design releases this year. In January there’ll be 2 new PCH-figures (I forgot the ch-numbers). Then hopefully the vignette can be released in February 2013 as a “larger release at affordable costs”. So we’ll see.
And yes, busy again The Man is making quite a large set of Hobbit related figures for Mithril.
Thank you very much for taking part in this discussion and I hope I could help a bit in sorting out things. And thank you very much, Master Mornedhel, for asking. See, sometimes a single question can be good.
November 29, 2012 at 6:33 pm #25990
Gildor
MMP Elder
I checked my own and it is a D8A…

I can confirm it is a genuine one but … I bought it in December 2005 to Chris Tubb directly outside ebay!
It was the FIRST time I ever wrote to Chris and this marks the beginning of our relationship actually. I had missed the past auctions on ebay and did not evey know at this time about the selling of MW347 half orcs… I tried myself at asking “the seller” phaeton design directly (not knowing it was Chris) where he had acquired those, and also ask him if he had a spare Chr1990 Eowyn which he had sold months before.

It turned out that he wrote me he had a “spare” lot of Angrenos guard set (with the orc officer) on December 8th 2005 and accepted to sell them to me. (Later we carried on exchanging in emails and he told me he had found a spare Eowyn too… and others etc etc… and well, this marked the beginning of a regular exchange between the two of us…

So I remember this very clearly! (I still have the email)

I assure you it is genuine at least from the fact it was provided by Chris himself… But maybe a later casting by Chris? a second set of test castings….

This brings a new theory for me : maybe the Half-Orcs were meant to be released at first before the dwarves…. (thus the reason I call them MW346…. and later in the process they decided to release the Iron Hill Dwarves first, and re-sub-numbered the Half Orcs with “D” making the MW347 “referencing” totally legitimate in the eyes of the seller… Chris…

but that’s speculation
November 29, 2012 at 6:46 pm #25992
Theobald
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Hm … you didn’t read my last entry, Master Gildor? Obviously we posted about the same time 😆
November 29, 2012 at 7:16 pm #25993
shadyt
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Mine is clearly marked D8A.
November 29, 2012 at 7:22 pm #25994
Milo
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Thnaks everyone for those clear explainations.
By the way, mine is marked C7.
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