mw347 subreferences
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February 21, 2008 at 7:47 pm #224
Does any of you still have the list of all the MW347 subreferences? I can’t manage to find the list and I don’t have mines at hand…
Not to mention we do not have the subreference number of the missing angrenost guard.
If any of you has it, please could you post it here?
February 21, 2008 at 7:47 pm #1456Does any of you still have the list of all the MW347 subreferences? I can’t manage to find the list and I don’t have mines at hand…
Not to mention we do not have the subreference number of the missing angrenost guard.
If any of you has it, please could you post it here?
February 22, 2008 at 12:54 pm #1461No problem at all:
“Angrenost Guard”
CA1 Dunlending officer mounted
C1 Dunlending officer
— Angrenost guardsman (lost)“half-orc command”:
D8A officer
C2 standard bearer
C4A drummer“pikemen”: C6A, C6B, C6C, C6D
“bowmen”: C5A, C5B, C5D (obviously C5C is lost)
“swordmen”: C8A, C8B, C8C, C8D
“spearmen”: C3A, C3B, C3C, C3D
The sub-reference of the mounted Dunlending officer (CA1) reads: mithril ’74
That’s all there is.
February 22, 2008 at 1:36 pm #1463Perfect! exactly what I needed. Thanks a lot Theobald!
(NB : indeed the C5C is permanently lost as well as the angrenost guardsman)
The fact they are lost though, tends to make us believe that unlike the others… those two may not have been put into “sample casting”, there were some 20 or 30 of each other figurines, I find it difficult to believe that a whole lot of 20 or 30 of a given figurine would be lost. I thus assume that it was the very unique masters of these figurines that were lost. Since it was only prototyping, maybe Mithril did not check if they were missing at the time of the sample casting because they did not focus a lot on that… which would end up meaning that, as a “small unreleased quantity” warband as a whole, those two never existed…. they only did as master prototypes.
February 24, 2008 at 11:36 am #1500oh and by the way… though it may not be the right thread but anyway…
Could you do the same thing for the released MW336 and MW337? all the “existing” subreferences? (which means all orcs too, even if the released box did not have them all and needed some addition from Time Machines)February 24, 2008 at 12:35 pm #1502yes, I can do that … give me some time, please I did not learn that by heart
February 24, 2008 at 1:14 pm #1503Sorry, but don’t like to type these list again but I found two files I could paste in … though the layout may be a bit too weird … anyway, I’ll try
you mean these two armies?
MW 336 Gondor army [ 29 ]1 Mounted captain
2 Sergeants
1 Trumpeter
1 Standard bearer
10 Heavy infantry / 3 types
8 Light infantry / 4 types
6 ArchersMW 337 Orcs of Mordor [ 30 ]
1 Standard bearer
1 Orc chieftain
1 Drummer
1 Hornist
6 Archer / 4 types
20 various spearmen, axemen, swordsmen / 8 typesFebruary 24, 2008 at 1:24 pm #1504Sorry, but I didn’t keep record of the sub-references -but I can provide them, of course. I’ll just have to look at each figure … so it cannot be done today. On the other hand it is a bit difficult, because when those two armies were released the sets of figures were not exactly the same with each set. There were slight differences, especially with the orcs … but I can tell you, Gildor that by now I have got them all … I’m sure. I compared my minis with those offered by Time Machine. As for that Gondorian officer, mounted (horse’s right foot up and straight) I have the Master.
I hope I can send you the complete listings within the next week ….February 24, 2008 at 1:47 pm #1507master ent
you say I am hasty but I did not tell you I needed this information at once please it’s my turn to tell you “take your time” February 26, 2008 at 9:22 pm #1525I’ll just hijack this thread 😎
MW 336 Gondor army [ 29 ] Mithirl code Time Machine code
1 Mounted captain (2 horse variations) b1 CMD
2 Sergeants b6 CMD
1 Trumpeter b2 CMD
1 Standard bearer b3 CMD
10 Heavy infantry / 3 types
ornate shoulder b4a SEN-8
plain shoulder b4b SEN-7
chain shoulder b4c SEN-9
8 Light infantry / 4 types
throwing, ornate shoulder b5a SEN-4
throwing, studded tunic b5b SEN-3
thrusting b5c SEN-5
throwing javelin b5d SEN-2
6 Archers b7 SEN-6I already had this info typed up, so it would be crappy of me not to share! I included the Time Machine codes to make it very easy for anyone needing some figs to know what to order.
Orcs to follow!February 26, 2008 at 9:25 pm #1526The orcs!
Number T.M. Code Aspect
a1 CMD Orc Warlord
a2 CMD Orc Standard Bearer
a3 CMD Orc Drummer
a4 CMD Orc Trumpeter
a5a ORC-6 Adv. sword over head
a5b ORC-3 Running, spear, helmet
a5c ORC-7 Running, sword at waist
a5d ORC-2 Running, spear, bare-head
a5d(v) ORC-4 Throwing spear
a6a ORC-8 Archer, pointed cap
a6b ORC-9 Archer, hood
a6c ORC-11 Archer, helmet
a6d ORC-10 Archer, bare-head
a7a ORC-15 running, sword, two-horn helmet
a7b ORC-12 Adv. axe at waist
a7c ORC-13 Adv. Sword, helmet
a7d ORC-14 Adv. Bare-head, sword
a8a ORC-5 Adv. axe over head
a8b ORC-18 Adv. scimitar,three-horned helmet
a8c ORC-17 Attacking, sword overhead,helm
a8d ORC-16 Attacking, sword overhead,bare-headThe oddball in the bunch is the a5d figures. I can’t remember for sure, but I think the a5d throwing the spear I marked with a (v) for variant. I think it shares the same number with the a5d running with the spear. I didn’t have any spear throwing a5d(v) in my original warband and got my copies from TIme Machine.
February 27, 2008 at 12:10 am #1529I assume thenthat the Half-orcs which are Cxx are thus subreferenced because there was already Axx and Bxx
(though B precedes A in matter of releases…Logically, the iron hill dwarves would have been Dxx (cool to have a D for Dwarves) but they may have not reached this level of prototyping and that may mean there are less, and quite less organised iron hill dwarves than there were half orcs…
February 28, 2008 at 12:19 am #1534My dwarf command is simply lettered A, B and C. And very faintly at that!
February 28, 2008 at 11:02 am #1535yeah I know that presto, mine too.. but I was meaning that if it had gone further onto production, surely they would have had DXX subreferences. They just were too early in the stage of prototyping.
April 23, 2008 at 12:54 pm #1979Some pics for the subreferences.
[imgz url=http://mmp.faerylands.eu/uploads/6_mw347_c6a.jpg]http://mmp.faerylands.eu/uploads/thumbs/6_mw347_c6a.jpg[/imgz][imgz url=http://mmp.faerylands.eu/uploads/6_mw347_c6d.jpg]http://mmp.faerylands.eu/uploads/thumbs/6_mw347_c6d.jpg[/imgz][imgz url=http://mmp.faerylands.eu/uploads/6_mw347_c6c.jpg]http://mmp.faerylands.eu/uploads/thumbs/6_mw347_c6c.jpg[/imgz][imgz url=http://mmp.faerylands.eu/uploads/6_mw347_c6b.jpg]http://mmp.faerylands.eu/uploads/thumbs/6_mw347_c6b.jpg[/imgz]
[imgz url=http://mmp.faerylands.eu/uploads/6_mw347c3b.jpg]http://mmp.faerylands.eu/uploads/thumbs/6_mw347c3b.jpg[/imgz][imgz url=http://mmp.faerylands.eu/uploads/6_mw347_c3c.jpg]http://mmp.faerylands.eu/uploads/thumbs/6_mw347_c3c.jpg[/imgz][imgz url=http://mmp.faerylands.eu/uploads/6_mw347_c3d.jpg]http://mmp.faerylands.eu/uploads/thumbs/6_mw347_c3d.jpg[/imgz]
[imgz url=http://mmp.faerylands.eu/uploads/6_mw347_c8d.jpg]http://mmp.faerylands.eu/uploads/thumbs/6_mw347_c8d.jpg[/imgz][imgz url=http://mmp.faerylands.eu/uploads/6_mw347_c8b.jpg]http://mmp.faerylands.eu/uploads/thumbs/6_mw347_c8b.jpg[/imgz][imgz url=http://mmp.faerylands.eu/uploads/6_mw347_c8c.jpg]http://mmp.faerylands.eu/uploads/thumbs/6_mw347_c8c.jpg[/imgz]April 23, 2008 at 6:35 pm #1987Huoommmm …. the four pikemen, 3 spearmen and 3 swordsmen … two shields are missing with the pikemen
very nice indeed, Master CasterMay 20, 2008 at 7:18 am #2247I’m catching up. It is less ….
QUESTION: counting the number of referrals of 347 MW from the list of Mr. Theobald leaving 20 different (plus 2 references losses). However the web Mr.Godet notes that are 17 different figures that exist…
May 20, 2008 at 12:08 pm #2248Huoommmm … there are 20 different figures of the Mw347 still existing … two went lost forever.
You can be sure about that, Master Erchamion.May 20, 2008 at 12:21 pm #2249Last time I checked Arnaud Godet website about the MW references it was not up to date . Until the last figurines of the Half-Orcs (which, finally are MW346… and not MW347 which are the dwarves… a mix up by the Man himself) well until then, the complete set was not absolutly strict. For example, we knew from start that the angrenost guardsman was lost… but we learned only after all the sales on ebay that alas… an archer too was lost.
(on a philosophical debate, one could argue that something that does not “exist” cannot be lost…. which in this case means: Chris told us the angrenost guard was lost , so that’s a fact… But did he say the same about C5C? maybe he sculpted only 3 of them, and thinking the third was the fourth.. he gave it the C5D reference… If I remember well, Chris could not acertain that it was a lot one, or a “missing” one he could not remember sculpting…but Theobald can correct me on that , I may be wrong…
But that would not be a premiere in mithril mismatch referencing… the most notable case being MB369 and M369 (which got me crazy when I had to code my database engine) but this is another story…
May 20, 2008 at 2:06 pm #2250AFAIK (as far as I know)lol, the fourth archer was a guy loading his bow. I don’t think Chris dreamed of sculpting the fourth one. But I’m sure Master Ent can confirm this one!
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