news from Chris and results from the Suggestion poll.
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November 10, 2010 at 7:54 pm #13006
well I have some spare time now… I’ll try to sum it up in one sentence.
At the moment, things have not changed… M range would jeopardize mithril because they sell far less than MS…. that’s a fact that numbers quand prove… so MS generates enough money for Mithril to keep living. Mithril staff in Macroom has been reduced to the minimum, they are only surviving and a MS boycot would kill mithril instantly…
Lars has no solution at the moment to change things as retailers and sales in shops are totally compromised and they can’t afford it… they plan AT LAST to focus on internet and online market, maybe exclusively (well why not) but they have nothing at the moment at the factory who has the knowledge or time on HOW to achieve that… they are not versed into internet…
Well, it’s odd I got all this info through Chris only… Damn, I had made suggestions for YEARS in order to prevent the current situation…
I suggest one thing… Organize a public HUGE poll on mithril board to show mithril that we AGREE if Mithril becomes FULLY on the net only (at least until the situation becomes better)
this is easy to achieve, provided they take care to translate their websites in several languages to adapt to worldwide customers in terms of “welcoming them”… selling on the net is not something easy, it is an online shop, it has to be an online “vitrine”, being functionnal is not enough… it has to be STRIKING and ergonomic with lots of functionnalities and tools for members…… *sigh* If only I could have strategic and technical discussion with Lars to make all those propositions clear and precisely, as some kind of promotion department… but … he stays silent and does not read me…
November 10, 2010 at 9:04 pm #13007So we are beck again…. seems that LE thinks about costs and business and not about love… and this is his point of view, and he cannot be guilty in our eyes because his opinion. Finally he is the one who give salaries to all those people … and another… if he does not have nobody in factory to organize internet business through net of the internet market… you Gildor could do it for mithril… finally there are many possibilities to do this job from your home and just upload pools, web sites, online shops…. and what ever you want. There are many programs whose you can use for this programing. You know better. And you could offer them to do it… with your passion which is bigger than Mount doom you could do this. I’m sure that you have lot’s of things to do it for your self and your job but definitely you could programed something and send them as example. And about fact that MS carry the Mithril project…. sadly but possible….
November 10, 2010 at 10:10 pm #13011Our beloved Elf is our beloved Elf. He did sooo many things which are really professional and really decisive.
And that´s sthe reaon I stay as a member here on “his” MMP and not on the main board.
BUT- he should also do THIS also ????!!!! ( what about the database . . . 😆 ) Time is . . . what?!
Although my friend Thingol is right. But I suppose there are others with similar abilities, not our beloved Elf only . . .
Let´s activate them! Let´s activate US !!!!November 10, 2010 at 10:20 pm #13012you are BOTH right
i can act as consultant, know what is possible and give ideas on HOW to build it, how to do it what mistakes to avoid, what things will work what won’t but I don’t have the time for both … and my family AND my job.. I do have a very time consuming job too.. I am not looking for another one…
I could ‘direct’ and council things, act as marketing or internet concelor… but nothing more and that’s quite a lot already
but for that, I’d have to be in contact with Lars….
November 10, 2010 at 11:16 pm #13013Gildor Inglorion wrote:well I have some spare time now… I’ll try to sum it up in one sentence.At the moment, things have not changed… M range would jeopardize mithril because they sell far less than MS…. that’s a fact that numbers quand prove… so MS generates enough money for Mithril to keep living. Mithril staff in Macroom has been reduced to the minimum, they are only surviving and a MS boycot would kill mithril instantly…
Well, that’s quite clear. And if it stays at that the choice set by L.E. is clear as well: My way or the highway.
Either we accept it that Mithril only sells MS (even figures that are essentially M’s) for GF prices (again – even M’s) or it is all shut down. Since no one of us has tens or hundreds of thousands of Euros leftover to solve the financial issues of Mithril (and if it IS the reason – and not only the one told to us to silence opposition) we have to accept it as well.
That way we have absolutely NO leverage against Lars Edman or Mithril in general. Either we pay the prices that are demanded (necessary?) or the business is finished. Period.
The only chance (according to the current state of information) to put up pressure in our sense (making clear that we will pay it for a limited time but only when there are major changes in the future) is to make it clear that that hard core of the GF (or at least this part that makes itself felt now) won’t go all along the way under these conditions. Of course then you’ll risk finishing off Mithril altogether, but the other option (as it stands now) is to pay the price that is asked for and let do L.E. doing business as he sees fit as in the past without any need to change something. Why change it if the people – who may rumble sometimes – in the end pay every price just to keep their toy? Do not misunderstand me that I want to kill Mithril, but at some point everyone has to ask himself if it’s really worth to bow to everything (with some growling) just to keep Mithril afloat (and even then always on the verge of collapse). And at that point it is not only a question but of self-respect as well.
So it becomes a highly individual decision whether you pay every price that is demanded just to keep Mithril – barely – alive (and business is mismanaged as usual), or you set your priorities otherwise. For me – though I admire the style of the figures (most at least ) – it is clear that I won’t pay GF prices for every mini released. That’s quite clear for me personally. I really like the minis, but they are not my personal top priority in the Tolkien-related business. Somewhere there’s a line I’m not willing to cross and this style of doing business (seemingly clearly mismanaged for some time now) is not something I’m willing to support. If I have to spend continuously too many bucks on a product not worth it, at least I’d demand a say how things can be improved in the end.
If it comes down to that at the end of the day and Lars Edman is not willing to communicate, incorporate the community and making processes transparent, I’ll quit by not buying the products I deem it not worth.
I’m not willing to be blackmailed and even have to say “thank you” for it.
Best
TolwenNovember 11, 2010 at 7:18 am #13014Wise text…. Master Tolwen…. wise…. and you are right… but I think that finally our passion will be winner in this case.
There is difference between just 100% collectors and just supporters whose buy some of the figures they’re like…. lot’s of us already have whole range of figures but there are members of our forum whose collect only figures which are the best for their concept dioramas and projects ( Master Turambar… Master Caster etc…. )
Also I’m for sure disappointed with some figures of MS especially with ruined concept of Haldir… and Troll standard bearer where this troll looks like a zombie… but in this case I’ve bought those figures on 10.10.10. unique offer further reduced with price invoiced without VAT for non EU countries so finally I’ve pay for those figures almost 50% lover price. So this is also sad if the mithril exist through those offers… and does it not correct from LE to claim that it is not possible to have low prices because of the high producing costs.
I still thinking that he likes mithril too but he does not want to confess this in public. I mean a front of us…. here CT figures freak and zealots … but finally who knows the truth… supreme deity and divinity….
I’m assured in one! One day those figures will be rare and precious as today already some of them are. So It is better to be sold in low and limited editions. For our heirs!
And LE willing to communicate…this is part of the personal attitude and house nurture…
November 11, 2010 at 8:50 am #13016What I said a long time ago. Mithril nowadays is a write of. Good for tax not good at all for collectors.
Going going gone…. soon. Pretty shitty if you ask me.November 11, 2010 at 10:07 am #13017I suggest we write a petition….
we all sign it and send it to mister Edman (in real formal letter, not on the internet) to convince him we are ready to change “mithril format” if need be… the more signatures we get the more he will be convinced…
November 11, 2010 at 10:53 am #13018With a real letter? :rolleyes:
How is this going to work? Like the taveling Elrond….. 5 years later?November 11, 2010 at 1:18 pm #13020no, it is easier…. i send a copy of the text to everybody to be printed and signed (and commented if you want) then you can all send the letter to Mithril in Macroom….
November 11, 2010 at 1:52 pm #13021now that michael is “back online” I try to get more communication with him…
he confirmed… lars is totally unreachable at the moment even for him, he is too busy, so he had not time to give them ANY of the strategic / financial / marketing suggestions I took weeks to prepare in details for them…. that explains the last answers to Theobald and to Chris in emails… he is NOT aware of ANYTHING we suggested… the problem once again… communication…
and no matter what he thinks, I think Michael does not focus on the essential… and is filtering us…
so the petition… could be a good idea…
I think the only solution is that I am given Lars email and send them to them , kindly and in details
Could Theobald help me with that?
Damn I have prepared a full file of detailed strategies (some could be dismissed so I have “backup/alternativeideas”) this is not an amateur work…
but without somebody to discuss them…
November 11, 2010 at 4:03 pm #13028Well, as I told somewhere here, I decided to take some action. And that’s what I did, of course. I addressed Lars with some basic questions about Mithril that were discussed here lately and there and back again. I received the answers yesterday. Here I just would like to pass on his answer to one of my questions about if he will keep up producing Mithril miniatures.
“As a company we must have a product which sells in sufficiant quantities to make money from it. Believe me if it was a money decision Mithril would have died many years ago. Instead I believe in the product and the people behind it … “
He gave me some more information and answers concerning other matters as well. But I think the one I quoted here is worth to be considered wisely. And … let me say, I do believe him.
As for me, this is not the end. I’ll keep on trying to do what I can.November 11, 2010 at 4:18 pm #13030I would like you all not to haste everything – please. (I’m very serious saying this now)
1st: Of course, Gildor I can try to help you with that, but try to be patient.
2nd: Lars is not “totally unreachable”, otherwise he wouldn’t have answerd my email I sent some days ago. I do still have some contact, it seems.Mind that all this is not a matter which can be solved within a day and has to be considered and developed wisely.
You might guess that I’m just trying to do what I can.With this I would also like everybody being a bit more patient – as I tried to be the last days.
Thank you.November 11, 2010 at 4:52 pm #13032It is wise to follow the Tree, meseems. Thany Master Theobald for your engagement.
November 11, 2010 at 4:56 pm #13033I managed to gain some wisdom back in the last hours…
master Dieter, master Chris Tubb (since both of you are on this forum…) you have received a long email to check…things will take time, but plans have to be made and put into motion slowly but seriously
I won’t put all the mail here… it is REALLY too technical and too long, let’s just say I have thought about almost everything
November 11, 2010 at 6:53 pm #13040Mr. Chris Tubb is on this forum . . .
I remember something small but important. He needn´t be in disguise . . . :[imgz url=http://mmp.faerylands.eu/uploads/32_phaeton001.jpg]http://mmp.faerylands.eu/uploads/thumbs/32_phaeton001.jpg[/imgz]
November 11, 2010 at 6:58 pm #13043… he is not good in disguise any more…. or no more… or his name is somebody copycat avatar….
November 11, 2010 at 7:00 pm #13044I thought for a long time, “Nob” is Chris Tubb. But it isn´t the truth!
I know that!November 11, 2010 at 7:02 pm #13046😎 !
November 11, 2010 at 7:21 pm #13048this is not phaeton indeed… he is incognito except for moderators I think..
and he does not have time to read the forum anyway… -
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