Númenorian Army
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September 7, 2009 at 9:56 am #6809
It would be interesting to see Master Ent’s army opposite Ken’s orc army!:cool:
September 7, 2009 at 11:21 am #6810hsf62 wrote:It would be interesting to see Master Ent’s army opposite Ken’s orc army!:cool:For even better! In the case of Ar-Pharazôn army, an army of Elves of Valinor opponent …. Does anyone have?
September 7, 2009 at 11:28 am #6811Hmm…..
This sounds interesting Master Erchamion. That would be a interesting task.September 7, 2009 at 12:16 pm #6812The Valinor host leaded by Eonwë?! Now that would be a grand thing to behold!
Eonwë alone would be astonishing to behold I suppose…
September 7, 2009 at 1:10 pm #6813Dreaming! Imagine a future “Dagor Dagorath” ….. with the military included the Númenorian Army …
It is now that I misses that Mithril haven´t the license to create this…
September 7, 2009 at 2:05 pm #6814I like the idea Master Gildor.
September 7, 2009 at 6:35 pm #6815Most impressive, but that Numenorian standard bearer must have the muscle power of Arnie and Claude Van Dam to hold that hoofing great thing aloft especially the size of the blade atop of it .
Oh if only that lot had been released:)
September 8, 2009 at 11:10 am #6818Yes, the standard is too tall, I agree. But I will not cut it …
September 8, 2009 at 5:36 pm #6823Theobald wrote:Yes, the standard is too tall, I agree. But I will not cut it …no, don’t do that (cut it) Master Tree
September 13, 2009 at 1:20 pm #6849Sorry, Thingol, I forgot to answer your question (Sept. 7).
I can tell you that this is all there is of that army. I just tried to provide pics of all the figures. I hope to be able to pass on more background-information about this army one day.December 4, 2009 at 10:41 pm #8220… but, Thingol, I can assure that there will be more pictures being releasd – there’s more to come … believe it or not … but those will not be Númenorians … just some Mithril-gaming history or whatever you might call it … alas, we’ll see … rhuoomm and then still there’s more …
I’m afraid that I have to keep on … rhuoommm … so I will … huoommDecember 5, 2009 at 7:52 am #8222And on the recent topic of recasts, these are all recasts too, of course…
December 5, 2009 at 12:09 pm #8223The Master Barkeep always needs to throw in the last word….
December 5, 2009 at 1:25 pm #8224Well, Master Barliman, if you have a closer look at the figures you’ll find out that nearly all of the figures of that army are conversions – casted of course, but just for that single event. As far as I know, there’s no Númenorian archer, rider, etc. in the Mithril-range. The poses of the spearmen and swordmen have also been altered.
Besides I think it might have also contributed to let at least some people living across this ocean in the west know that there is something called Mithril miniatures.
I would like to call those figures of the army “based on Mithril miniatures”.
Those figures were never casted for mass-production, they were casted and then being painted just for that very event. Then they were given to me as a present without leaving a chance for me to spend a dime in return. That’s all there is.
Mind, Master Caster, it’s always an Ent to have the last word in the end.December 5, 2009 at 4:37 pm #8227I was merely making an observation, Master Tree. The figures are indeed, as you say, all recasts. Which is, of course, the point I was making.
Why? Because, I’m afraid, converting a figure before recasting it doesn’t alter the fact that that the conversion is based on a copyrighted figure, and that recasting it (not converting it) is still a breach of copyright. Believe me! – I’ve been in publishing all my working life and know somewhat of the arcane, obtuse, murky ins and outs of copyright legislation.
It doesn’t even matter if the figures are never sold, but only given away – the breach of copyright is in the act of recasting, not what’s done with the recast figures subsequently.
So, to put it simply: converting a figure is not a breach of copyright; recasting it is, whether it’s been converted or not.
Where we hit a grey area, of course, is where a figure is no longer available and is never going to bcome available again…though, technically, even then the figure’s copyright remains valid for 75 years from the date of its production or the death of the copyright owner, whichever comes last.
December 5, 2009 at 4:48 pm #8229Oh, and by the way, though I’ve never recast a figure in my life (I wouldn’t know where to start!), I’ve certainly bought what I believe to be or have good reason to suspect are recasts, either on eBay or from other gamers – a few weeks ago, for instance, I bought over a hundred Isengard shields and some half-orcs at a car boot sale, and was glad to have them – but I didn’t ask where they’d come from, because I probably wouldn’t have liked the answer.
The old adages about living in glass houses and being without sin before throwing stones spring to mind. I don’t live in a glass house (nor even a glass inn), but I’m certainly not without sin.
December 5, 2009 at 5:31 pm #8231Well, Master Barliman, you’re right of course about licences and breaches of copyright. Though I think here, where I live, the copyright remains for at least 80 years.
I do believe you, Master Barliman.
But to be honest, let me tell you that I will not melt those pieces friends gave to me as a gift because of copyright legislation. Among them there are figures only casted once and the former owner did not keep a second figure. That means in terms of copyright legislation that gift is a criminal one.
So I do understand that a gift presented to me first has to be checked whether it’s illegal or not. Alas, I might have some hours to spend coming Christmas doing this. I hope my wife will understand that …
“obtuse and merky” … with that you’re right, Master Barliman. And by the by, did you notice that some of the original Mithril figures have no trade-mark sign at the base? (M16 is a good example for that).
Anyway, I did understand you well.
And part of that copyright legislation is that we always have to wait for acceptance by TE, even if a Christmas figure might not be delivered in time for Christmas.December 5, 2009 at 5:43 pm #8232Nor would I melt down all the figures in my collection that I know or believe to be recasts, Master Tree. Especially after I’ve spent weeks painting them.
The fact that Mithril produce so few castings of their figures themselves, and keep them in production for such a short time, is the root cause of the problem, of course! In my own view, their entire range of figures should remain in production for as long as possible. Their policy of imposing a time-limit on their availability is a decision I’ve never really understood.
December 5, 2009 at 6:58 pm #8233Barliman wrote:Nor would I melt down all the figures in my collection that I know or believe to be recasts, Master Tree. Especially after I’ve spent weeks painting them.The fact that Mithril produce so few castings of their figures themselves, and keep them in production for such a short time, is the root cause of the problem, of course! In my own view, their entire range of figures should remain in production for as long as possible. Their policy of imposing a time-limit on their availability is a decision I’ve never really understood.
It’s a really, really nice thing…for collectors.
And while it’s really fun to hunt down just the right figure for your diorama or whatever, there are plenty of Mithril figures which how-shall-we-put-this: don’t need to be so rare. The Wood Elf guardsman (M71 or whatever it is) is a lovely figure, but does it really need to be 18 euro or more per figure? Thus there exists a large, healthy and rather lucrative market for Mithril product…which Mithril has no participation in (well not much – the rare stock sort of helps). Other companies who sell to a collector’s market – eg, comic book companies – find ways of participating in this market without impacting on collectors. They sell reissues of classic issues. They offer “remastered” versions in delux formats. In other words, they figure out ways of making money on things that they have already made and sold. (And, crucially, pay more money to the creators). So…I would pay about 80 euro for a delux collector’s set of the Halls of the Elven King series. Maybe release it on a display base. Release it with an extra figure. Something.
Earn more money.
Mithril’s core problem is that they release figures in themed series (great for collectors) that go out of print after a certain period (also great for collectors). However, in doing so they are preventing new people starting as collectors. Someone sees some pictures of (for example) Mithril elves online and thinks: wow, they are so much more beautiful than other miniatures – I wish I had some. Problem is, of course that he or she can’t, unless they get very lucky. (Or live in Germany or France which seems to have a healthier secondary market)
Remember that poster who was complaining about missing parts of Mithril series? Thing is, the poster was right, in a way. These ranges should be bigger, especially the army ranges – even if some of the figures are just the same template with a different weapon. The Lossarnach figures may not be my favourites, but they are a good model of how things should be done. Lots of repeated torsos, but optional weapon arms and easy to modify left arms. Suddenly you have an army – or a military unit for a battle scene, or personal favourites to choose for something else.
(Which should be then advertised to all hell – but that’s another day’s work)
December 5, 2009 at 8:51 pm #8235Surely things don’t have to be rare to be collectable – take Star Wars toys, for instance…highly collectable, even though they’re produced by the hundred thousand. Being happy to collect something just because it’s rare is missing the point entirely – though as we’ve seen, there are some Mithril traders on eBay who do take that approach.
Things should be collected because they’re good to look at and make you feel happy inside. Sod the quantity. Besides, larger quantities would obvioiusly earn Mithril and The Man more money and keep unit prices down simultaneously. End result – everyone is happy, and we can all buy as many un-pirated figures as we need or want.
Problem solved.
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