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  • #354
    bucca
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      Hello all,

      As one new to Mithrils, but an old hand at painting those from the dark-side! I would like to pose a quick question as to the best approach to undercoating. I like to work from black and would usually spray with a matt black car primer – touching up with thinned black acrylic to those underneath bits. As Mithrils (generally) are already undercoated will a further spray layer eliminate small details? I dare not experiment blindly on my first figure!

      I apologise if there is a ‘Mithril Painting Beginners Guide’ somewhere I can’t locate, so any assistance would be much appreciated.

      #4400
      bucca
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        Hello all,

        As one new to Mithrils, but an old hand at painting those from the dark-side! I would like to pose a quick question as to the best approach to undercoating. I like to work from black and would usually spray with a matt black car primer – touching up with thinned black acrylic to those underneath bits. As Mithrils (generally) are already undercoated will a further spray layer eliminate small details? I dare not experiment blindly on my first figure!

        I apologise if there is a ‘Mithril Painting Beginners Guide’ somewhere I can’t locate, so any assistance would be much appreciated.

        #4401
        Turambar
        Participant

          Hi bucca, welcome to this wonderful forum. Well, I can say something helpfully to your question. I have to collect lots of the minis via ebay. Therefor there are a LOT of minis, which are in a very ugly condition. That means, especially, ugly painted with strange colours. I had to remove this ugly paint often, and, of corse the original mithril undercoat removed as well. :(
          The miniature was “blank”. I had to undercoat the minis again for myself. I took enamel paint and use the colour really thin.
          But, unfortunately it was something like smearing up the fine details. The best results for that I have received in thinning the enamel colour.
          For that I use “orange terpene”. (Everybody in the room suddenly long for an Orange Margarita . . .:P )
          That was the only result which was acceptable to me. ( You will value the mithril undercoat . . )
          May I tell you: please do NOT take car primer for those little treasures . . .
          I hope this would be a little help for you. Always welcome.

          #4412
          bucca
          Participant

            Many thanks for your prompt reply.

            A further question if I may – Is the enamel to which you refer the standard model-painting enamel – such as ‘Humbrol’ ? and I have no familiarity with ‘Orange Terpene’ other than it’s made from pressed Orange Peel (I only have Bananas in my fruit bowl at the moment :))….

            Anyway, thanks for the advice – most welcome and helpful.

            Bucca

            #4415
            Gavin
            Participant

              Hmmm

              Well, my experience is thusly.

              Spraying primer into the grey Mithril primer tends to lose details. The amount of detail lost depends on how the spray can is faring. Generally if the mithril undercoat is doing its job, I don’t spray. I just paint the mail shirts and things black, then go from there.

              For some miniatures, especially if the grey primer is getting ratty – as some ebay bought figures will – its probably worth stripping the primer off with “Simple Green” and repriming it with either Vallejo Grey Undercoat, or Games Workshop black undercoat.

              Gavin

              #4421
              Theobald
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                Well, bucca, I’m quite sure the “enamel paint” rita.de referred to really is from Humbrol and it’s their Nr 1. So here you were right. This grey colour really comes closest to the original Mithril coating. But, as rita.de mentioned you have to keep it a bit fluid.

                #4423
                Wendy
                Participant

                  Welcome to mmp bucca.

                  If the Mithril coating is in good shape, I’d go with Gavin’s advice and put a thin layer or two of black paint on and go from there. If not, I’d remove it all and prime with whatever you usually use.

                  There isn’t a Mithril painting guide, just a collection of tips and tricks for painting in general. Feel free add some if you’d like. :D

                  Please do post a pic when you finish! :)

                  #4432
                  Turambar
                  Participant

                    Yes, bucca, that is the reason, why Master Theobald is called: ” Wisest of Ents” ! It IS Humbrol !
                    And also you know by now, why Gavin´s name is “skilled artisan”. His statement is perfect.
                    And I agree to the fabolous Wendy: please post a pic.
                    Concerning this orange terpene I can say that it is normal terpene usually use for cleaning brushes after painting with enamel paint.
                    (This special one smells like oranges, because there is ethereal-lime-oil inside ! ( lime ? Must called lime terpene instead ?! :rolleyes: )
                    That secret only knows the german producer . . .

                    #4441
                    bucca
                    Participant

                      Thank you all for your kind advice and encouragement.

                      My first will already have nice ‘blister-fresh’ undercoat so thinned black over that it shall be and where that takes me who knows….having said that, I’m now stuck as to which to paint first….mmmm…rarest, smallest, largest, mannish, orcish, something-else-ish….

                      Anyway, I will definitely post a pic when in progress and then when completed, but being (one of the) slowest painters in the world that may be anytime :rolleyes:

                      Bucca

                      #4442
                      Theobald
                      Participant

                        Huuooommmm … do not haste …. :)

                        #4445
                        Turambar
                        Participant

                          and you are not the only one . . . ;)

                          #4452
                          Wendy
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                            bucca wrote:
                            …something-else-ish….
                            Bucca

                            😆

                            So I have some competition in slowness, then. :D

                            #4453
                            Theobald
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                              Hi bucca, I just primed the parts of the new MF-releases where I had to cut. So I can tell that “Humbrol Nr1 matt” matches the present Mithril coating exactly.
                              As for coating I’d like to suggest never to use a spray. Use some brushes and take your time to make sure you have covered each and every detail of the figure. This way you will become aware of details. When you see parts of your coating still being ‘shining’ after about 5 minutes, you should drybush those parts immediately.
                              In case you want to assemble larger pieces, as Dragons or some vignettes, that ‘enamel’ colour helps you to close some last gaps between some parts.
                              Just trying to give my help … knowing I’m not that perfect

                              #4454
                              Turambar
                              Participant

                                No, Wendy, you win the competition of painting Dol Amroth Knights ! ! ! The best riders I have seen so far !
                                (sorry, Estel and sorry David, but I think the new M-range goes to her . . . )
                                So, Wendy, that´s the reason, why I always call you the” fabolous” Wendy, because I like your work extremely. Hope you don´t “notlike” it

                                #4455
                                bucca
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                                  Wendy wrote:
                                  So I have some competition in slowness, then.

                                  Ah yes, but if my results are anything like your Knights of Dol-Amroth, then patience is certainly a virtue :)

                                  And to Theobald, thank you for the advice….one thing is certain I will indeed take my time :)

                                  #4456
                                  Gavin
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                                    At some point, when there’s nothing else going on (ha!) I’d like to write up a Mithril painting guide, complete with photos.

                                    Don’t expect it any time soon!

                                    #4854
                                    OriginalAragorn
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                                      I never saw Bucca close the loop on how the thin coats of black primer worked for him.

                                      I’m in the same boat as Bucca – I prefer to have a black undercoat. Are there other painters out there on this site who prefer black undercoat. What do you do?

                                      #16106
                                      Milo
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                                        Hi bucca,
                                        we did not meet before. fancy a drink in the pony ?

                                        #16107
                                        Milo
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                                          Gone…that was a quick visit !

                                          #16108
                                          hsf62
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                                            What a shame, we have a lot of people rushing through….
                                            No time to relax, have a scrumpy in the Pony and sit back and have a nice conversation about the crazy world….
                                            Sad this is.:(

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