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  • #8203
    Gildor
    MMP Elder

      well, it depends on who recasts them, and what they do with the recasts…

      Besides, good or less good conversions of his figurines have become quite regular and popular recently. and more numerous too. He may not appreciate that at all… for what WE find are good conversions indeed could be seen in some cases as piracy of his “original work” , we never know…
      I hope it’s not that…

      #8208
      Barliman
      Participant

        I guess we shall have to wait for the Ranger to report back.

        #8209
        Arthadan
        Participant

          I guess he means only recasts. If you’re selling miniatures, you have to assume some of them will get awful paintjobs and unfortunate conversions. That’s part of the business.

          On the other hand, recasting is illegal and since Mithril miniatures are highly collectible, they may have become quite popular among this short of pirates. This low quality illegal copies are enough to upset any sculptor.

          Let’s send them some Nazgûl!

          #8214
          hsf62
          Participant

            I’m looking forward to the rangers message before I make a statement!:cool:

            #8219
            Theobald
            Participant

              Rhhuoomm… what to say? … all this discussion about re-castings of Chris’ miniatures and the ‘copyright’ does not touch me at all, as I can be sure that all pieces of my collection were purchased either by serious sellers, given by friends or directly from Chris Tubb … but …
              I really do understand his anger very much … very much indeed.
              I am a collector, so I never set a sharp tool to any of the figures I have to change poses of the figures … why should I alter or even disregard the pose of the figures as they were casted … rhuoomm… if they do not fit into your layout for ‘wargaming’ it’ll be not my problem …
              Huoommmm …. of course, everybody is free to do do what he wants … that where I do agree.
              By now I’m collecting conversions of Mithril-figures … as I have nothing more to do at the moment … that Nùmenorian-Army I received from a friend and provided here on MMP was not simply coincidence … alas … there even is more to come, as I know …
              mind the ‘unexpected party’ … if ever I witness a re-casting of that … I might turn angry … rhuoommmmhuooommm

              #8225
              Theobald
              Participant

                Huooommmm … This discussion seems to be about ‘coiny-things’ (money).
                To me re-casting and selling Mithril-figures without a licence simply is an offence ! There is no doubt about that.
                I think this also refers to selling any ‘conversions’.
                I think I have to comment on this as I have concentrated on collecting conversions (that’s why I started the thread in The Mathom House once). ‘Conversions’ to me means that people do it out of passion and privately. So there’s no interest in any profit. As by now I have quite a number of ‘conversions’ I can tell that I never witnessed a single one of those on Ebay. I did not have to pay for any of those figures, as they were given to me for free. I did not even had to trade for them. That includes the fact that ‘conversions’ are not being mass-produced and meant to take any profit out of that. That’s why I would rather call mine gifts, as all they are.
                So, ‘private conversions’ of Mithril figures (if casted, then in a very low number) given away for free as a gift … I think that’s nothing to complain about.
                In case there are Mithril miniatures by Chris Tubb being re-casted and sold, that’s a different matter. I’ve heard about these matters a long time ago, but have no details or evidence.
                I never sold any Mithril miniature on Ebay or elsewhere … those who know me might remember what I do with ‘spare-miniatures’.
                That’s what my idea of collecting is about.

                #8226
                Gavin
                Participant

                  I would personally be very happy if Mithril did limited runs of some of its popular older figures, sold via the Fellowship.

                  These figures would go for the ebay average or a bit more, and Chris would be paid royalties or howsoever he is paid.

                  It kinda does burn that there are figures which were sold in Easons in 1988 for two pounds fifty (IR) now command 25 or 30 pounds (STG) on ebay, but that the artist does not make any further money from them.

                  (Now I know this is the case with fine art and craft pieces, but its becoming more common for commercial works in secondary markets – comic writers now get royalties for things collected as graphic novels and sold, even decades after the work was done)

                  So, Mithril, make some “Fellowship Classics” and pay Chris Tubb some more.

                  Gavin

                  #8228
                  Theobald
                  Participant

                    Huoommm … I think Master Gildor would say that’s the wrong place to discuss matters like these seriously … sorry, I think it was also me who contributed to this misplacement … but I simply was caught in the discussion here … rhuoommm … hom … “mind the thread” I would like to say, as in London Underground they once had signs saying ‘mind the gap’ … or something like that … you know … :)

                    #8230
                    Barliman
                    Participant

                      I’ve likewise probably commented on this issue in the wong place – see the Numenorean Army thread in the Mathom House… Apologies.

                      #8330
                      Thingol
                      Participant

                        Is anybody knows something about this !?!?!?!?! …. ebay auction item under number 230411495568….

                        #8331
                        Barliman
                        Participant

                          I don’t recognise the figure, and surely that’s not a Mithril ciode number?

                          #8332
                          Gildor
                          MMP Elder

                            mmhh the base may look like mithril but the figurine looks like an american indian… I do not recognise the style of Chris Tubb nor a link to Tolkien universe…
                            this reference, CA11 may be one from old Prince August fantasy miniatures maybe but that’s very odd

                            #8333
                            Arthadan
                            Participant

                              It’s from a Spanish company called Andrea, from a range called Camelot 3D, now out of production. You can see some of then in Google

                              #8334
                              Gildor
                              MMP Elder

                                ah great info!
                                I love andrea too but only their recent 54mm warlord saga :)

                                #8335
                                Arthadan
                                Participant

                                  Do you know the ‘Battle Series’ range (32mm versions of ‘Warlord Saga’)? I think they would look fine with Mithril miniatures. Here you are the link

                                  #8336
                                  Gildor
                                  MMP Elder

                                    yea I know them but I don’t like their 32mm range, not same sculptor… 54mm are quite more realistic and greatly sculpted

                                    #8346
                                    Arthadan
                                    Participant

                                      No, they’re made by the same sculptor. He uses the nickname ‘Freeman’ in the Spanish Team forum.

                                      Here you are the sculting process of the 30mm Elf (Link) and the Dwarf (Link)

                                      And here you are the sculpting process of the 54mm Dwarf, also by him: Link

                                      #8351
                                      Wendy
                                      Participant

                                        Freeman is a very talented sculptor, as is Mortimer. (I joined that forum after learning about it from JMPN when I met him in Italy.)

                                        #8355
                                        Turambar
                                        Participant

                                          I don´t know how they make it. This sculpting stuff will always be a world I could not reach . . Respect!!!!
                                          But remember: this is the juicy ebay place . . .

                                          #8700
                                          Axel
                                          Participant
                                            Gildor Inglorion wrote:
                                            i wonder if he sees conversion as pirating…

                                            Now about recasting Mithril prototypes that have never been released, is there a copyright for them? I wonder …

                                            twrich wrote:
                                            He has also communicated with me his displeasure with those who are recasting (he calls it “pirating”) Mithrils, and I will be creating a post soon with a message from him on that subject.

                                            On the subject of casting I can only give the status of the German law. To make private copies of items is legally allowed. You may not use that copy for commercial or public purpose, though. The number that courts have allowed for private copies is seven. It is even legal to pass these private copies to friends, as long as the relationship is “close” and not just “passing” – in effect, you have to know the one you give the copy to, and remain responsible for what HE does with the copy.

                                            For all purposes, these laws also should cover miniatures – though I have not heard of any cases of miniature casting that were under debate (some open violations, like selling en masse, nothing else).

                                            This is of course only the German law. Other nations, especially the “fair use” in the US, do not allow that much.

                                            Conversions are something you do with your own property. There is no law against it (though GW once claimed so). Of course all laws concerning the orginal still remain on it, regardless of any changes, so the conversion will still adhere to all restrictions that the original had.

                                            Miniatures sold internationally will adhere to the law of the owner and international commercial regulations, ie. copyright cannot be voided by some local laws, but private rights (ie private copies) are unaffected. If I make a private copy I am, however, not allowed to hand it over to someone in the US because in HIS country the copy is not allowed.

                                            Anyway, respecting the attitude of the original artist is a matter of courtesy.
                                            On the other hand miniatures that are not available at all could need the odd “Privatkopie”, just to keep the enthusiasts from committing suicide (or worse, selling their collection in frustration). As long as the restrictions set by law are honored nobody should be off for the worse.

                                            While we are at it, I missed the Galadriel sale (damned work) :-(
                                            While I DO own a (legal, where I live) private copy of her (thanks to the friend who shared) I would not hesitate to buy an original when possible. Is there any spare out there?

                                            I still have an original set of Dwarven infantry to trade, if somebody does not want to part for mere money. Otherwise – when nobody needs the dwarves – I will probably cash them in again on ebay soon (while we are here at the “juicy ebay”), and I just got some thirty Mithrils from a friend with the task to sell them anyway. Numbers/pics for early picks going up here soon.

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