Warbands on ebay

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  • #376
    ddaines
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    Item: 190306877772 – Orc Warband.

    Item number: 190306880982 – Gondor Warband (but no mounted officer appears in the photograph).

    Same seller with 3 days and 15 hours to go.

    #5237
    ddaines
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    Item: 190306877772 – Orc Warband.

    Item number: 190306880982 – Gondor Warband (but no mounted officer appears in the photograph).

    Same seller with 3 days and 15 hours to go.

    #5239
    Turambar
    Participant

    Oh my goodness . . .
    That means that also this orc warband will rise extremely because too many people get the knowledge of . . . ;)
    ( 😎 Observating this one since 4 days now . . . 😎 )
    If I remember right, the last orc warband was on ebay last autumn and run over about 120 Euros or so . . . :/

    #5240
    Gildor
    MMP Elder

    120€ for a regular “released” [mith]MW336[/mith]???!! Damn that’s awfully hight? the average price according to my database (and Zoetrop) is around 84€ for this set… why such a raise??

    #5244
    Turambar
    Participant

    Yes, Gildor, I am quiet sure about that price! It was somewhere last October! The ways of ebay often are strange . . .

    #5246
    Theobald
    Participant

    Huoommmm … I would be very thoughtful about that Gondorian warband. ddaines stated the fact that there’s no mounted officer included. But that’s not all. The original size of the set included 29 figures – not 23. For example the command group (standard-bearer, hornist and a second sergeant obviously are also not included.
    As for the price I just witnessed they are for about little more than 50 GBP which means far less than 120 €.
    The given number of 30 figures for the Orc Army is correct. Though there were never provided all fifferent poses in just one set, because then the number of 30 would be slightly exceeded.

    #5247
    erchamion
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    rita.de wrote:
    Yes, Gildor, I am quiet sure about that price! It was somewhere last October! The ways of ebay often are strange . . .

    Yes, of course. Old references traditionally expensives now appear on Ebay much cheaper, while others “normal” have skyrocketed in price.
    It will be a thing of the crazy world we live in…..:rolleyes:

    #5252
    Kenakko
    Participant

    Yes, far too high in the price department. I recently saw a set go for less than $50 USD on ebay. Such are the fickle fates of ebay…

    #5261
    Theobald
    Participant

    But, as I said before, Estel, mind that the Gondorian Warband offered is more than incomplete.

    #5265
    Gildor
    MMP Elder

    mmmhh there’s something I don’t understand though… Except for die hard collectors. what need is there to buy the official orignal MW box (except the fact of having the blister package for the plastic box?

    Isn’t Time Machines and Jim Corless selling these two warbands under other names and references but same mould? (so it is strictly the same) ?

    #5266
    Turambar
    Participant

    Yes and: No it isn´t , master Gildor. I am not quiet sure about the casting-quality of Jim ´s orcs . . .
    @ Estel: Hey Estel, what about the orcish warband? Do you have real ambitions to get it?
    Tell me here if I should leave them. As I told above, I already have those orcs of different kind from that series from timemachiene ordered.
    So I already own the ones I was looking for, but I am not pleased well with the casting-quality.
    So tell me, if I should leave them because I want to bit also . . .
    If you want, send me a private mail, you have my address . . .

    #5268
    Gildor
    MMP Elder

    be aware that all the orc warbands have some subreferences missing in them… I explain : there is a given number of figurines in the package, but the number of subreferences possibilities is greater than the pack of gondorian army.
    So when they were released, a lot of the original packs missed two or three subereferences if you wanted to really have them all… That’s when Time Machine was helpful… to complete those holes… (eg. only three out of four orc archers existing variants)
    (the problem indeed did not appear for Gondorian army because there were not as much subreferences for a given type of soldier)

    (And I’m sure of that, I bought mine in London… more than 12 years ago not knowing what it was.. but it was written Mithril so I bought it… sealed blistered pack brand new, in the short period of time where they were available everywhere at retailers…)

    #5269
    Turambar
    Participant

    m m m , Gildor, I am actually painting these orcs from Jim Corless, and there is a little depth in the casting-quality of thei original mithril miniatures.
    I also recognizes some filthy details concerning the faces . . . !
    By the way: these Warband Orcs are magnificent ! Such magnificent that I serious think over owning the original ones . . .

    #5272
    Turambar
    Participant

    Some of us do not like the warband-orcs ?! I think they should . . .

    [imgz url=http://mmp.faerylands.eu/uploads/32_warband8.jpg]http://mmp.faerylands.eu/uploads/thumbs/32_warband8.jpg[/imgz]

    #5273
    Theobald
    Participant

    Gildor’s right about the number of releases for the Orc Army – I tried to point it out before.
    As for me, I like those orcs very much as they’re excellent in detail and pose.

    #5274
    Gildor
    MMP Elder

    Oh but I like the orcs very much, actually they count as some of the best orcs in the whole range… but I was just pointing out that, even if they are of good quality, since Time Machine provides them, I felt odd that it was sooo expensive… they are not “that rare” except indeed for those who want original castings indeed for collector purpose, now that is understandable

    as for casting aspects I discovered techniques to improve the figurine (before painting) if the casting was not perfect…
    It consists of painting with an old brush, with Miliput in which you added A BIT OF water (like a soap) and you paint the surface of the figurine with this “mix”… and you let dry… that is not an undercoat, it rather acts as a polishing micro-holes filling substitute when there are some casting defaults… the result is smooth, and the details are untouched because the “liquid” miliput only fill the micro holes before drying…

    quite amazing technique :) but maybe some among you already knew it?

    #5276
    Turambar
    Participant

    No, as far as I am concerned, master Gildor. But thank you for given that fantastic hint ! I will try it . . .
    By the way, I am afraid that I didn´t understand the thing with this subreferences . . . :rolleyes:

    #5277
    Gildor
    MMP Elder

    Ok, I’ll try to give an example. See the reference [mith]MW336[/mith] (click the link)

    In the description, I have provided ALL the subreference numbers (eg. A5A A5B A5C…A8A A8B… etc) a total of 20 subreferences. it uses the same subreferencing system that the unreleased half-orcs MW347…

    Well, the number of archers, footmen, spearmen etc was Fixed in the official package… so if you had 4 Archers (I’m not at home so I can’t tell you how many there were supposed to be)… you COULD have 1 A6A 1A6B 1A6C 1A6D IF you were VERY lucky… but in most cases you had 2 A6B and 2A6C (or any other combination this was random) and thus in your package you had ZERO A6A and ZERO A6D (in my example) and so you had the original mw336…but not all the 20 possible subreferences…

    Many collectors (including myself) had to ask Time Machine to complete their whole orc army set because the “original one” did not have them all…. (It’s like buying a box of Trading Card Games blisters, you don’t see the content of the blisters, you have 36 blisters in the box… if you are very lucky you’ll get the whole collection of cards…. but most certainly you’ll miss quite an amount of cards if you have doubles instead of “one of each”… well I remove the rarity variable of the cards in this example)

    I hope it is more clear :)

    #5278
    Turambar
    Participant

    Yes, Gildor, many thanks for that detailed explanation. Is this concrete archer-example applicable to footmen and the rest?
    In taht case of archers I can´t say anythin, because I have ordered only one from Jim: the ( fantastic ! ) hooded one !
    But it is very helpfull to know all that and I will give this theme much attention ! And I have to “translate the Jim´s numbers first.
    I remember I have seen this somewhere here . . . Time is short . . .
    Again: thank you, Gildor ! :)

    Post Scriptum: is ther anybody out there you can help with pictures of the whole range? I can give my of those who I own . . .
    Gildor, maybe there is the possibility to place these pictures somewhere here, as the different ones from Saruman´s Halforcs,
    what do you think ? For years I only see this blurred pic of the total orc-range. And that is a pitty, because they are extraordenary !
    Can we work on that? I can share pictures of those who I own . . . nine ! :rolleyes:

    #5281
    Theobald
    Participant

    Huoommm … it took many years being able to buy two more of that old original releases of that Orc Army to have them completed … just to be sure to have covered the whole range.
    Then I compared the figures with those being offered by Timemachine. After that I found out that my collection of those orcs is complete … and gave away the last complete original box.
    Could have been our Aelfwine I sent it to.
    You might keep in mind that Timemachine keeps the licence of producing those two armies, as far as I know.
    So far I really cannot distinguish any important differences between the original castings and those provided by Timemachine as they’re made from Mithril molds and licenced. Except lack of priming.

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