C. Tubb Mithril auctions and Recast/Pirating

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July 6, 2010 at 12:06 pm #10814
Gildor
MMP Elder
I can do that master Thingol
create ranks with special access, and those ranks are automatically given when you reach a number of posts… (and you see this change in your title usually) but Here almost everybody has personnal titles so that it would not work a lot, I can create groups though, some already exists… “Sages of Endor” is one of them
July 6, 2010 at 12:16 pm #10817
Thingol
Participant
… any solution could be nice… I see that around 20 of us have 50 + 1 posts and some of guys have few under… those also could be in this as you write… some special group only for serious collectors… of course those who are registered on MMP… this measure could be also motivation for other new members to activate their interests for mithril miniatures and also some kind of special marketing for real fans……..
July 6, 2010 at 12:19 pm #10818
Milo
Participant
I know I am still an adventurer, but people here having a “title” are very well known and shall be member of MMP council which could welcome any true passionate fellow..
July 6, 2010 at 12:20 pm #10819
presto247365
Participant
Hmmm…the idea of “ranks” based on numbers of posts is a bit troubling to me. I know it is a common convention on many message boards. I believe it often leads to an air of superiority amongst those with large numbers of posts, where the opinions of more frequent posters are somehow more valid or “important” than the occaisonnal visitor. I’m not speaking of MMP here, but some sports team sights I often visit.

More to the point, limiting some forums to those with certain levels of posts seems contrary to the open discourse of ideas or concerns. Someone who is very new or infrequently posts may have something valuable to add to a discussion.

Besides, if there is something we truly want to keep from prying eyes, there is the message function. Perhaps it is the recent Independence Day holiday here that has me feeling egalitarian, but that’s just my opinion!
July 6, 2010 at 12:21 pm #10820
Gildor
MMP Elder
this used to be the purpose of the “Sages of Endor” group which has never truly be used…. that will change
July 6, 2010 at 12:27 pm #10821
shadyt
Participant
I would like to be included in any future threads for members, even if my number of posts is lower than most.
July 6, 2010 at 12:33 pm #10822
Thingol
Participant
Master Presto247365 you already have 50 + 1 posts( 90 ) so if Gildor choose this minimum rank to accessing you are already in… and you master Shady have 72 posts… once when you collect 50 and you alredy are you are in… further number of posts in inessential…
July 6, 2010 at 1:15 pm #10823
Gildor
MMP Elder
please please, gentlemen, follow the advices of master Ent, all things must be pondered calmly and we must not haste….

I may have some entish blood finally in my elvish veins but I think those things require some time and some calm to be treated… and I am currently at work
July 6, 2010 at 3:15 pm #10832
hsf62
Participant
Is everyone running wild here?:lol::lol:
I’m away for the next few days and I guess I will have a lot of catch up to when I’m back.
July 6, 2010 at 3:16 pm #10833
hsf62
Participant
And a lot of writing….
July 7, 2010 at 6:19 am #10853
twrich
Participant
Gildor, based on your posts above, thank you for moving these discussions to a more private part of MMP. It is good to have this thread now in an area that all members can see, but not the general public.

The message I was asked to convey, as I understood it, was to make an announcement “on the (MMP) Forum” regarding his views and concerns about recasting and piracy. The Prancing Pony is the most widely read and posted to section. I was not asked to inform anyone ahead of time. Perhaps any of us might be asked to give such a warning in the future. I have always been careful to represent Chris’s views accurately, and to say when a statement was my own opinion (even if a bad one). And if “the public” got a view of Chris’s opinions on this matter, perhaps he might think all the more effective.

Part of the problem is that posts to the forum are not always well understood by those reading them, whether the public or us members. And this happens no matter what language is used. Over the years, many of us have written about how hard it is to know what someone really meant by a comment posted. I believe it might be the case this time also. This means it is important to “not haste,” as the Master Ent says. I like hsf’s question about “running wild.” There is a solution to this issue. We’ve always managed to have honest conversations in the past and that has helped to keep Mithril going.

Do not assume that if your post is quoted that it is a criticism of you personally. Estel, perhaps you feel misunderstood. You did say those words, and there was a reaction to them. That does not mean that you have to delete all your posts (please listen to Gildor) or that anyone blames you. You have been a good fellow and no one wants you to drop out. You can edit your post by adding a comment like “what I mean is . . . .” You have given us many great ideas and comments in the past. I hope that you can put them back in the forum. This recasting issue has been a question for a long time before you. I wish I would have said “a member” about all of your comments instead of naming you in that one example, perhaps it wouldn’t seem personal to you if I had written it that way.

This subject has come up several times in the past, and I have agreed to pass Chris’s thoughts along before, as many of you know. Each time I’ve tried to be subtle, not mentioning specific members or posts, although many knew exactly what was being said. It was hoped that the views of Chris would be embraced. Well, that got us to where we are now, and his quotes which I’ve relayed.

This issue can only be resolved with better communication. And for the sake of the new members of both MMP and the Mithril Fellowship Gold Club, we all neeed to know what is accepted practice and what is not.
July 7, 2010 at 6:13 pm #10885
Bombadil1963
Participant
A lot is written here. And I must confess that I read not all of the statements. But I have bought some 2 or 3 Minis from Drizztdourden on ebay some years ago. But I was angry at that time because he didn´t send it in time and only after some hard discussions about consequences. So, perhaps, two or three of mine are fakes.
I don´t know when I got in contact with Holger. One day, years ago, he told me that he is making duplicates. In these times I was missing a knife for the smuggler or somebody else, I can´t remember. He said that he can make it for me and that we stay in contact. In the last months I received a very rare mini in exchange for an all-day-mini from him. But I didn´t have any suspect. I thought he was only very friendly.

So, I have only one question: what do you say to all that, Holger? I am still willing to believe that you didn´t intend to cause any trouble among us!
July 7, 2010 at 8:17 pm #10888
Gildor
MMP Elder
the question does not even need to be asked master Bombadil. I think all of us here know about the generosity and unselfish help that Holger has provided and keeps providing. Now it is only about communication and what can still be done or not…

I think personnaly there is only one “compromise” that could be taken… when it is about making copies of existing references, the copies should have slight to major “conversion changes” included in the copy that makes them “from the scratch” uncanonic

for example, the M16 with hawk or with standard can clearly not be mistaken for a true M16 thus it is clearly a recast WITH changes…
now well I don’t promote recasts, but copies – if done – should include conversion “inside the casting itself”… this way there can’t really be artistic copyright problem (well there still is about copyright… but that solves the PIRACY problem)

about help with slight weapons, shields, furniture maybe this can be solved…

I don’t know Chris point of view on the matter… It should be better if Holger AND Chris enter in contact and solve this together before anything is done…

I would not appreciate that one member of the community I manage is sued by Chris and/or Mithril… (certainly Holger would appreciate even less …. so this has to be discussed between the two protaganists I don’t think MMP in general has to debate a lot about it… it is a matter between two men to be solved
July 11, 2010 at 8:25 am #10926
hsf62
Participant
No Master Bombadil, I didn’t want to cause any trouble and I for certain do NOT intend and NEVER have intented to sell a recast as a figure cast from Mithril. I do understand Chris to be angry after copies appearing on ebay. But I also can assure him that I’m 100% certain that there is not one in between the once sold or offered for sale having anything to do with me.

Chris, you are very welcome to contact me and tell me your thoughts, not filtered through another person.
But this of course is totally up to you.
July 13, 2010 at 6:19 pm #10948
Bombadil1963
Participant
Hi Holger,

I´m more than content with your answer!

Grüße in´s winterliche Australien aus dem kochenheißen Deutschland!

Roland
August 24, 2010 at 11:44 am #11555
Gildor
MMP Elder
this is to conclude and give an endpoint on this debate, here is the message received from Chris Tubb who asked me to post it entirely. (I won’t comment it )

Quote:

“I have been asked by Christophe to say a few words as to what I feel about converting Mithril figures.
My attitude to converting Mithril or any other figures is an extremely positive one.
Converting figures is creative and can achieve some incredible results. It is a key part of the hobby and I am sure that all of us have taken pleasure in customising a bought figure to something especally our own.My objections were and are to the moulding and casting of either originals or conversions, not to converting individual
one-off figures.
Converting figures is a very important aspect of miniature collecting and long may it continue.

Chris Tubb”
August 24, 2010 at 12:30 pm #11556
Thingol
Participant
….. ! Fair and honest !
August 24, 2010 at 1:49 pm #11557
Turambar
Participant
No doubt that The Man has got this oppinion! Absolutely no doubt!
August 24, 2010 at 7:28 pm #11572
Gildor
MMP Elder
fact is ….i work for a sciences university actually lol
August 25, 2010 at 3:50 am #11583
twrich
Participant
This is a good clarification of Chris’s views of converting Mithrils, which I think was mostly already known. But that is not what this thread was about. Converting Mithrils was never put into question. As for the original subject, recasting, it also has been resolved, I think .
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