The Council Of Elrond
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November 15, 2010 at 12:54 pm #13162
I could csat metal bases…. :lol::lol::lol:
November 15, 2010 at 6:09 pm #13166Arthadan wrote:Easy. Keep about 30 references of troops for each main faction (Rohan Gondor, Mordor, etc) in catalogue, lower the prices and invest in marketing. And finally, offer a plastic base for us gamers so you can fit the traditional metal integral base within the plastic base.That would be good, but Mithril won’t do it as far as I see it. It looks very like wargaing/tabletop accesoires or solutions. GW will beat the shit out of Mithril if the latter seem to do anything that violates GW’s exclusive tabletop license. Mithril has no tabletop license and GW will all the more be happy to sue Mithril for doing anything in that direction.
So do not expect anything from them that smells even remotely like tabletop…November 15, 2010 at 7:46 pm #13168Actually, gentlemen…. this may disapoint many… but in order for mithril to breathe FRESH air and be able to promote WIDELY without GW EVER interfering in the soon future (so that mithril can act without the shadow of GW in the corner) it would be USEFUL for mithril to “stop” releasing anything related to armies but rather focus on “non-army” references for a while…and promote these ones… until market is better for them…
That was one of my MAIN suggestions to Lars and I think it would be wise…I also suggested a full range (MF) to provide furnitures material in metal (for diorama or battle scene building)
if you want I will eventually post all the suggestions here… but this is a very long Word file, of more than 3 pages…(in font size 10)
(this does not include already prepared Helm’s Deep 2 indeed… But I would have nothing against a Grey company being released before Helm’s Deep 3 … or even the So long waited easterlings… even if they are VERY expected, even by me!!!)
November 15, 2010 at 10:31 pm #13170You think it would be wise, Master Gildor?
YES, it is. I am searching my mind out for, you call it “non-army” references. The best I have seen so far are the things from ebob.
BUT: too small, unfortunately. Because: 28mm. So what to do with my siting camels . . . ?
The other point: the “style” must be congruent. For example the furniture from “thomarillion” is not. Unfortunately. (Though I love their stuff . . . )
This is a really important suggestion to LE and I hope he will understand this.November 16, 2010 at 8:17 am #13174The other point: the “style” must be congruent. For example the furniture from “thomarillion” is not. Unfortunately. (Though I love their stuff . . . )
I think it´s congruent, look here:
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November 16, 2010 at 8:42 am #13175Good one Herbert! This looks very usable to me!
I follow the link now….. see you later……November 16, 2010 at 1:48 pm #13182well what you say is not what Lars, Chris and Michael tell me Estel…
Middle Earth Enterprises and Games Workshop are quite “friends” (as friends as they can be with New Line for the movies)
Each time Mithril Submits anything to be produced, Middle Earth Enterprises checks VERY carefully if it won’t create a challenge to Games Workshop… If Mithril tries to become “interesting” once again and could endanger GW, GW will make everything possible to crush mithril before they could reach their success… by releasing counter products and MASS advertise so that Mithril could one again be muted in their promotions…
Mithril has a potential GW fears and they will do their possible so that this potential remains dormant…
that’s why I suggest Caution if Mithril wants to strike hard and strong with productions that can NEVER be disputed as on the same use as GW….
that’s my opinion, and what I just said may be a bit extrapolated but what is true is that Michael (in private mails) and Chris too FEAR to have problems with GW … simply because they are aware of anything that is produced… once ME Enterprises receives the request for production…
it is a very touchy point…
November 16, 2010 at 2:09 pm #13186Gildor Inglorion wrote:Actually, gentlemen…. this may disapoint many… but in order for mithril to breathe FRESH air and be able to promote WIDELY without GW EVER interfering in the soon future (so that mithril can act without the shadow of GW in the corner) it would be USEFUL for mithril to “stop” releasing anything related to armies but rather focus on “non-army” references for a while…and promote these ones… until market is better for them…
That was one of my MAIN suggestions to Lars and I think it would be wise…I also suggested a full range (MF) to provide furnitures material in metal (for diorama or battle scene building)
if you want I will eventually post all the suggestions here… but this is a very long Word file, of more than 3 pages…(in font size 10)
(this does not include already prepared Helm’s Deep 2 indeed… But I would have nothing against a Grey company being released before Helm’s Deep 3 … or even the So long waited easterlings… even if they are VERY expected, even by me!!!)
Ther are that many possibilities as you mentioned above Master Elf. Furniture is great and also would be animals of Middle Earth! Townsfolk… you name it!
November 16, 2010 at 10:58 pm #13211now I understand indeed it is a good sign if Mithril can “face” GW … but GW are not fool…
they won’t threaten mithril at allthey wait for mithril to make the slightest mistake in releasing something that could PASS for warbanding in the end… to SUE mithril and ask for ME enterprise to stop mithril licence to products things… I have no doubts there are people at ME enterprise that would be happy to deal with GW only…. lobbying I suppose….
well that’s how I understood it.. mithril simply fears to loose their licence by being sued by GW…. that may be ONE of the ‘minor’ reasons in Helm’s Deep 2 delay (very minor but still there, to explain why the White Council will be released first)
November 17, 2010 at 2:52 am #13212One thing that bothers me is that GW complains if Mithril releases anything close to a wargaming band, yet have no problem releasing collectible, limited edition figures of their own. I don’t know how their license is worded, but that seems to step into Mithril’s territory.
November 17, 2010 at 7:01 am #13213That’s pity for all. Today’s market for gaming miniatures is enough big for GW and for Mithril. Loosing the license…. how could you loose it if you pay expensive fees for it through contract where is everything clear? What minimum of production define war gaming brand. What 1.000 copies? 10.000 Copies 100.000 copies of one miniature or set of tiny soldiers…. is there some kind of “standard”. GW this is company for kids and for people who wants to play games in some short period…. Mithril is something different…. in world of miniatures. Limited edition of some figures makes it unique, valuable and collectable for future generations, and this is much important. HD2 or HD3 or some future releases should be high quality figures with possibilities to be used in some RPG but this could not be productions priority… PA has other brands for RPG not only fantasy… there are Vikings, knights, regular fantasy figures, Warzone-chromopia, other kind of soldiers… so why they must perform pressure through fear under the GW. Let GW stays LOTR war gaming leader and let Mithril make better calculation and marketing strategy to improve their sells development and recess of market distributions. Than they would sell more than this pity 1000 HD1 or regular M, or this 150 MS or 100 MX to this more than 6.000.000.000,00 of world population..What a miserable numbers of selling quantities for one brand.
Now you have opportunity to improve something through official board guysNovember 17, 2010 at 12:24 pm #13214as I said, GW is quite friend with ME Enterprise and they close their eyes… this is lobbying and story of BIG money…
Mithril does not have this luck but ME Enterprise could not remove their licence without solid reasons either… still I am more than certain people at ME enterprises (not GW) would be MORE than happy to see Mithril make a mistake thus having all excuses to remove their licence…
that’s why this is dangerous… but indeed THAT can be done… but if Mithril wants to mass advertise at one point, better to do it without any risk ahead don’t you think?
anyway, there won’t be problems releases HD2 or 3 I think but I live in utopy, that mithril could be displayed in many retailers, and attract some customers that usually buy GW production by lack of knowledge of OTHER possibilites…
besides, GW is free to do collector editions of their products, since the purpose of those products are wargaming oriented… the fact of being “collector” has nothing to do with the “purpose” of the product but about “limited and special edition”
Mithril has licence for ‘collectibles’ (be they collector, or common) GW has licence for wargaming and gaming (be they collector, or common)
November 17, 2010 at 8:29 pm #13224Clear explanation Master Gildor… thanks. I did not know that is possible to made license for collectibles and another one for other purposes ( war gaming )…. are you sure that GW have such big influence over the ME decisions about licenses…. !?!?!
November 19, 2010 at 8:15 am #13292Thingol, Gildor is right about GW. And the sad fact is that we, Mithril collectors, are a small group now. Mithril did not do a great job of transitioning to the web, when the hobby stores began to reduce their suppliers and go out of business; and only a few game companies survived–GW is a collection of many of these.
I fear that it would take more money and time than Mithril is willing to spend to regain the space on retailers shelves that was lost over the last decade . . . so that battle is already lost. No, it is a fight to gain exposure, and other websites, although not specifically dedicated to just Mithri, or just collecting miniatures, or just roleplaying, etc . . are the best way to gain the exposure that Mithril needs to increase its customers. And remember, new people are the lifeblood of mithril, as much as the old guard.
No friends, Mithril is only alive now because Chris Tubb is very attached to it, and the prototypes he has created that haven’t been produced for sale by Mithril are mainly because Mithril (Lars) is afraid there aren’t enough of us to buy them to make them profitable, more so than lisencing problems, although problems with GW/TE have been the case sometimes.
Many of us say loudly that we want more M Series (I do!), but the company needs to sell more than a few dozen of each piece to be profitable. We need more members, or everything else we do won’t help Mithril. Tolwen has started a thread offering to accept Mithril related contributions from us for his web publication Other Minds. This is good step to focus on to help bring Mithrils to other people’s attention, in my opinion.
November 19, 2010 at 9:18 am #13295Maybe all of you will remember those “special offers” of LIMITED editions of ONLY 1000 pieces (for mumak, smaug triumphant, THeoden death vignette etc etc
this was not only a promotion for a collectible but an excuse to NOT produce too many castings that would not sell…
Still, if all M releases could be in releases of 1000 that could be quite suitable for the time being I think…
we just have to bring people to buy …
November 19, 2010 at 2:51 pm #13302I saw a Mithril addvertisment on “The miniatures page” the other day. That site gets about 100000 hits a day.
November 19, 2010 at 5:32 pm #13310But is this passive advertisement only or advertisement with pop-up active link…. or banner…. !
November 19, 2010 at 5:39 pm #13311This was a regular internet ad. If you click on it it takes you to their homepage. They also get a listing anytime Michael posts a new release or a sale.
November 25, 2010 at 9:15 pm #13498White Council added in my database with pic (and so, automatically added in the Collection Manager choices )
November 26, 2010 at 7:37 am #13509Gildor Inglorion wrote:White Council added in my database with pic (and so, automatically added in the Collection Manager choices )I’ve just seen it, very nice. I’ll wait to make the order when we know the Christmas miniature of this year and buy the two together (and some more minis, I just cannot lie :rolleyes: )
Any clue about Christmas mini this year?
Regards,
Imisel
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